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#151571 29-Aug-2014 12:05
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Ok my elderly car 
Nissan Sentra?
Has go a pioneer radio cassete player in it and the speakers have a horrid vibration/buzz in them (apparently they are stuffed?)

so i want to replace them

I saw this

http://catalogues.thewarehouse.co.nz/offer/car-audio-systems-speakers-subwoofers/sony-cd-tuner-with-usb-and-6-2-way-speaker-pack/4zrgkj9j5.html

And thought that would probably do everything i want, plus it appears to come with speakers, is it a good deal, Most of the cheapies I have seen are brands I have never heard off and seem to have every bell and whistle possible which makes them sound like either the bargain of the century or full of low quality components that will die fast.

And how hard would it be to fit, or should i just take it to a workshop and get it done?




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  #1117881 29-Aug-2014 12:22
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The headunit isn't too hard, it usually uses standard fixtures. This assumes that your existing pioneer head unit is single DIN height (about 2" high). You will need to buy a loom or connectors, this is easy based on the type of car and head unit, and these are usually in the same aisle as car stereos.

Speakers are a bit more difficult, often the factory speakers have been fitted in a funny way (e.g. rivetted into the door/frame rather than screws) or are a funny size. You'll need to confirm what size your current speakers are, if they are different from 6" they you'll need to either find some that suit or cut a template out of something like wood or metal to fit them in.

If you are a bit of a DIYer then it's easy, otherwise might be best to go to the pros. 

Re: choosing the replacement, stick with the name brands (Sony, Pioneer, JVC, Panasonic). Even the cheap name brand models tend to last well and sound half decent. I've had the cheap off-brand units overheat on me before (e.g. American Hifi, used to be sold at The Warehouse)

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  #1117890 29-Aug-2014 12:29
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Nothing wrong with that Sony.

JB have got a 10% off sale on car audio till Monday as well - if you get a Pioneer you may not need to get a wiring loom adaptor (as you would for the Sony). That assumes that whoever put the Pioneer you have now into the car used the adaptor, and it is the same of course.

But I'd say stick with the bigger brands - Pioneer, Sony, Panasonic and JVC. Speakers you could look at Fusion as well.
You need to find what size your current ones are (in an older Nissan, they probably are not riveted in, but they could well be 4" (especially in the doors). See if it has mounting holes for bigger speakers in the rear?

 
 
 
 


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  #1117908 29-Aug-2014 12:43
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1998 sentra

Can't actually work out how to get at the speakers, i thought the grey slotty thing above it in the door would pop off but it doesn't seem to want to come off at all

So whats a ball park figure for an install.






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  #1117920 29-Aug-2014 12:54
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If in the door, you will need to take the whole door panel off.

Usually a screw in the door (opening) handle, and a couple in the actual handle you use to close the door, then it should just unclip from the door frame.

I recently replaced stereo and speakers in a 95 Pulsar, and it took5" speakers in the front and 6's in the back. Pretty easy, and your 98 will have a standard plug for the stereo to connect to (with the right adaptor).

Just ensure you keep the speakers in Phase (+ to + and - to -, doesn't matter if you cannot tell what is + and what is -. just be consistent across all speakers). A good way to tell is once you have it running, move the balance from left to right then bak to middle, and if it is louder/bassier on with left or right than when both are going, then they are out of phase.

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  #1118454 30-Aug-2014 11:29
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Without the right tools it can be easy to leave marks on the trim removing it, and places like parallel imported have quite cheap install costs, and will replace any of the plastic bungs that snap during install.

You dont want to be half way thru the install and have to drive to supercheap to get something in the car. I would just pay someone else to do the install IMO. Yes its not difficult if all goes well, but if not and like the wiring was butchered to get that pioneer headdeck in and you have to start stuffing around it can be a PITA.




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  #1181667 23-Nov-2014 17:55
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Year: 1998
Make: NISSAN
Model: SENTRA
Submodel: 1.5 MANUAL SEDAN

 Ok, I got a clarion CZ202AR Stereo as it was going cheap and does what i want

Had a look in the car and it appears the original installer had used an adaptor of sorts, so the Nissan plugs are still there,

So I am assuming I would just need

these two items
http://www.wavetech.co.nz/LMCLA1.html
and
http://www.wavetech.co.nz/LMNIS2.html

As for the speakers in the door they appear to be oval in shape, and they are fairly hard to hear over the road noise, stupid thing is every site I have looked at says that the front speakers should be round 6 1/4 and that there should be rear speakers, Well as far as I can tell there are only the front speakers and they are oval, and I am fairly sure the car hasn't had anything changed speaker wise since it was new




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  #1181681 23-Nov-2014 18:50
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Ok here are some pics of the speaker

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There also appears to be wires in the boot for speakers but no holes in the rear parcel shelf




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  #1181683 23-Nov-2014 18:54
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That's a pain, you're going to need some kind of mounting plate to make that work with any standard speaker. 

Unless you're handy with a jig saw, might be time for professional help :) But I'd say that hole will take a 6" easy with something to fill the gap.

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  #1181688 23-Nov-2014 19:14
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Looks like a 6.5 will just drop straight into that hole.




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  #1181796 23-Nov-2014 22:01
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Oh and a trap for young players - wind down the window before test fitting your chosen speaker... even before you start I'd do this and check how much depth you have to play with.  That factory speaker looks very shallow.  In my Primera the speakers are fitted into a spacer to give them more depth into the door, whether you can do that will depend on your door panel design.

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  #1181933 24-Nov-2014 09:53
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Those speakers are 5"x7"'s a lot of the 90's nissans used these. 

Sometimes you can get lucky and a 6.5" will slot in but not always. 

Might be easier to buy a set of 5x7.... they used to be quite hard to find but a quick google comes up with a few sellers. 

http://abtec.co.nz/Car_Audio_Speakers_5x7_13x17cm


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  #1181935 24-Nov-2014 09:55
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The metal plate that makes it round is part of the speaker, its not seperate so thats not going to work, and I think they are 6x4 in anycase.

I have no idea why they use such crap speakers in cars, but putting anything not falling apart in its place will make a world of difference.




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  #1182028 24-Nov-2014 11:16
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richms: The metal plate that makes it round is part of the speaker, its not seperate so thats not going to work, and I think they are 6x4 in anycase.

I have no idea why they use such crap speakers in cars, but putting anything not falling apart in its place will make a world of difference.


Oops your right they are 6x4's. Its been a long time since i did this on my bluebird. I didnt pay attention to the metal plate normally these are a 2 piece unit. 






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  #1182035 24-Nov-2014 11:27
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Came across some of those weird speakers when helping a friend clear out his dads garage. Why you would keep them is something only a 60+ year old hoarder can answer.




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  #1182308 24-Nov-2014 18:42
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ubergeeknz: Oh and a trap for young players - wind down the window before test fitting your chosen speaker... even before you start I'd do this and check how much depth you have to play with.  That factory speaker looks very shallow.  In my Primera the speakers are fitted into a spacer to give them more depth into the door, whether you can do that will depend on your door panel design.


Yep I did think of that, its actually kind of difficult to find the speaker depth on the boxes or anywhere, sony does have them in their books though, but I was planning on getting a cheapie from the red shed as I get a discount there and I'm on a tight budget hence the fairly drawn out process of getting this sorted.




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