Fixed speed camera: 50 kmh zone, 30 kmh temp limit (construction work), speeding 65 kmh

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bablind

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#169853 28-Mar-2015 10:24

I believe I should be snapped by a fixed speed camera on Waipa St (Chatswood, North Shore, Auckland) while going down the hill.
My Navman (latest speed cameras map update from 09/2014) does not show this camera (does this camera work?)

1) Fixed speed camera (wet film, old one): 50 kmh zone, 30 kmh temp limit (construction work), speeding 65 kmh - will I be fined for 15 kmh speeding or 35 kmh?

2) How long does it take for the ticket to arrive from the wet film fixed camera?

While researching this subject became extremely paranoid (lesson learnt)

3) As a general question. If __fixed speed camera__ snaps me over 50kmh over the limit will I be disqualified? How does it work?

Thank you

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#1269443 28-Mar-2015 10:35

You don't get demerits when caught by a speed camera - only a massive fine.

With wet speed cameras (in construction zones) you'll find they either simply don't work or are set to the normal speed limit still. You shouldn't speed in these areas over the posted 30km/h due to your own safety and others, I've seen somebody race through a construction zone and lose traction and in the process spraying stones at my car breaking my windscreen in the process.

What is a minute or something over your own and others safety? Just don't speed through construction zones or in general and you'll never get caught.

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#1269444 28-Mar-2015 10:36

1) It depends, but usually the fixed cameras don't get updated for temporary changes in speed limit, in which case it would be 15km/h over.
2) Up to a couple of weeks.
3) I believe not, because demerit points are not allocated for fixed camera infractions.

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#1269463 28-Mar-2015 11:25

If you give us some more details we can let the Police know you're concerned they won't be ticketing you for the right speed...

I hope you have learnt a lesson, 65 in a 30 work zone is dangerous.

bablind

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#1269491 28-Mar-2015 11:54

As I have mentioned above - lesson learnt. In regards to construction - it was orange cons along the kerb. Nothing more, no workers, no other changes.

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#1271498 28-Mar-2015 15:30

Under the standard Code of Practice for Temporary Traffic Management (CopTTM)

The Min different between the Posted speed limt and a Temp Speed limit is -20km -- hence 50km becomes 30km

I would suppect the reason for the speed restriction would be for the narrowing of the usable lane width (there are tables for this on what speed vs Min Lane width) Hence cones on the edge keeping drives away from what ever they (workers) are/were doing and also them away a safe distance from Drivers (who sometimes dont slow down :-) )
may require a narrowing of the lane -hence speed restriction to help compensate, allowing for a safer site for all

BTW if its a temporary speed restriction and you ignore it, it is no diffrent when it comes to prosecuting/fineing, than if its the posted speed limit and you ignore it

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#1271503 28-Mar-2015 15:47

That one has been there forever so its suprising that your database doesnt have it in it.

That construction has been going on since last year. Everyone ignores the speed restriction because they are never doing anything on it. If the camera was active I would probably have a box full of fines by now.

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#1272535 28-Mar-2015 18:22

you are probably ok.

Speedos are usually underestimating by an average 6km/h, esp if your tyres are not new.

that puts you at 59km/hr

$0.02 to say that you won't get a fine. as the camera may not even be active.

if you do, it will be a fine of $80 for exceeding it by 11k/hr (based on my guess that your speedo is overreading as it should)

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#1272539 28-Mar-2015 18:30

Anyone who exceeds the legal speed limit in a construction zone is an idiot in my books, and well deserving of any fine/s imposed.

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#1272542 28-Mar-2015 18:36

i have no problems with people who try to kill themselves by driving like a maniac.

but when they do that when others are around, that's when it makes me boil.

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#1272551 28-Mar-2015 19:24

Zippity: Anyone who exceeds the legal speed limit in a construction zone is an idiot in my books, and well deserving of any fine/s imposed.

Thats great when it is actually a construction zone, but that place has been a cones to stop people parking and nothing happening zone for 2 months.

Just too lazy to bring the signs in when they stop work for the few hours they are there doing not a lot each day.

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#1272562 28-Mar-2015 19:59

If there is a sign with a red circle with a speed indicated that is the legal maximum until the signs are removed or covered.

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#1272563 28-Mar-2015 20:10

KiwiNZ: If there is a sign with a red circle with a speed indicated that is the legal maximum until the signs are removed or covered.

Yep, but the signs must also be removed once the work has been completed.

There are several reasons why signs may stay in place were seemingly no work is being undertaken, for example aside from safety considerations the lower speed allows new seal/construction to bed down properly increasing its lifespan. There may be other stuff going on underneath or beside the road requiring a slower speed for engineering considerations.

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#1272604 28-Mar-2015 22:15

They have more fixed camera sites than they do cameras to go in them and they won't usually be set for temporary speed limits but the normal speed limit for that section of road - in your case 50km/h. There are no demerits and even at the lower 30km/h temporary speed limit that's 35km/h over at your indicated 65km/h, which below the threshold for anything other than a mere exceeding the speed limit infringement offence notice anyway.

I too get frustrated at semi-permanent temporary speed limits for no reason. It's a case of the boy who cried wolf and thus counter productive to their actual purpose.

joker97: you are probably ok.

Speedos are usually underestimating by an average 6km/h, esp if your tyres are not new.

that puts you at 59km/hr

Speedometers usually OVER-read and by a fairly linear percentage, not a fixed margin - that is to say they read higher than true - normally 6-10%.

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#1272609 28-Mar-2015 22:24

Ah of course :D

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#1272700 29-Mar-2015 09:12

I compared my speedo with NavMan reading - actual speed about 6% below the reading
Thus to get speed above 50kmh on lower threshold I would need to be going at 81kmh + 6% = 85kmh
I was driving that road a few times for more than a month now, just arrived from Europe after 11 years away on business
Guys, don't take me wrong - I am not a speeder on purpose, this was one of this moment when I was looking at the road rather then on speedo.

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