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# 173574 28-May-2015 07:26
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Hi, it's amazing what happens when one actually goes to check out a car. Discovered that the Mazda Premacy and the Toyota Wish had really really tight back row of seats!

So the new shape Estimas (2006+) are not exactly cheap
The Presage is a third of the price of the Estimas
MPVs are somewhere in between

Don't care about looks, etc ... but is the cheapest one as reliable as the other 2?
(I know the Presage has really crampy seats in terms of width but it is much better than some others)

Edit: hmm i don't know why I didn't come across any Mitsi Grandises ...




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  # 1313322 28-May-2015 10:45
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Assume you are asking about the Presage ?

Hard to say 

- what KMs are we talking
- does it have a service history
- QR25D (2.5L) or the VQ35DE (3.5L) engine




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  # 1313335 28-May-2015 11:02
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When we were buying, we looked at Estimas, MPVs and Odysseys. We ended up with the Odyssey as it was significantly cheaper than the Estima and the seating configuration was a lot more flexible. The MPV was much of a muchness with the Odyssey, but we got a better deal on the Honda we ended up buying. This was a while ago though.

 
 
 
 




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  # 1313359 28-May-2015 11:34
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ah ok throw in oddysey into the mix! this is going to be a long process :) all the cars are in AKL with no way of seeing / inspecting them ;p




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  # 1313362 28-May-2015 11:35
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heylinb4nz: Assume you are asking about the Presage ?

Hard to say 

- what KMs are we talking
- does it have a service history
- QR25D (2.5L) or the VQ35DE (3.5L) engine





thinking 2.5L (straight 4 more reliable than 6 cylinder?)
none of the imports have a service history




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  # 1313381 28-May-2015 11:52
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joker97:
heylinb4nz: Assume you are asking about the Presage ?

Hard to say 

- what KMs are we talking
- does it have a service history
- QR25D (2.5L) or the VQ35DE (3.5L) engine



thinking 2.5L (straight 4 more reliable than 6 cylinder?)
none of the imports have a service history


Not in this case. The Nissan VQ engines are legendary for their performance and reliability (honoured by Ward's 10 Best Engines list almost every year from the list's inception). The QR25, on the other hand, has a chequered history.



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  # 1313389 28-May-2015 11:59
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so the V6 is at least as good if not better?




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  # 1313463 28-May-2015 13:38
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joker97: so the V6 is at least as good if not better?


The V6 is much better. I owned a 2003 Nissan Maxima (until it got squashed in the February earthquake with 165,000 km on the clock). That car never cost me a cent in repairs, besides routine servicing. Bloody brilliant engine and economical for its size (I now drive a Ford Mondeo company car, which gets worse fuel economy and much worse performance). Peak torque is produced at low RPM, so you don't have to rev its guts out either.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1313466 28-May-2015 13:41
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joker97: so the V6 is at least as good if not better?


+1 on the VQ series (3.5 V6)



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  # 1313531 28-May-2015 14:42
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Hmm ... Thanks




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  # 1313542 28-May-2015 14:56
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We have had a 2006 2.5L Presage import for a couple of years. No issues, and cheaper/easier to service than the Estima it replaced (Estima engine placement is horrible to work with). Gets daily use around town as a family car.

We chose it as the best seating layout (8 full seat belts).




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  # 1361226 8-Aug-2015 17:39
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Just an update:

Inspected these and found
Nissan Presage - really is not 8 seater. ok can seat 2 adults and 6 kids. but only 6 adults really. feels heavy.
Mazda Premacy - can barely see the rear bench. impossible to get in the back. If a truck rear ends you the kids are pancake. didn't bother with test drive
Honda Stream - as above.
Toyota Wish - as above
Honda Oddyssey (old model) - a bit better than the Stream, but still find it hard to get and and out and rear most leg room a bit better, and might be burgers instead of pancake in a rear end by truck.
Toyota Ipsum - between a WIsh and an Oddysey (old shape)
Mazda MPV (new shape) - better than all the above, but not enough boot space with 3 row of seating
Toyota Estima (new shape, and old shape) - better than MPV. somehow feels easier to get in the rear row. heaps of space in the boot with 3 rows. probably fares best in a truck rear end, but still don't want to find out. hopefully the truck will see a high van. But that thing is HEAVY. we live a hilly place. gas guzzler.

bought the estima, coz fits people and stuff.




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  # 1361272 8-Aug-2015 19:26
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If you are concerned with [maintenance] cost you should also consider the difference in fuel costs esp if one option is a V6 !






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  # 1361273 8-Aug-2015 19:27
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well i can't consider the rest coz they don't fit stuff :(




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  # 1361914 10-Aug-2015 10:17
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Our old MPV got murdered by the wife :



Can't say I'd get one again looking at the aftermath.





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  # 1361916 10-Aug-2015 10:20
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yikes what happened?




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