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# 182581 22-Oct-2015 10:25
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Hi First time user

I am in a bit of a prick situation. I lost my only smart key for my nissan teana 2006 model in mt Ruapehu. AA towed my car to a registered mechanic nearby where it has been sitting for a few days now.

They are saying that they do have a blank key but need some sort of code from Japan since the car is an import to actually programe the key/fob to my car. Honestly i don't quite understand the whole process I just hope they are not trying to rip me off by presenting worse case scenarios or something.

Can someone tell me how a smart key may be programmed to a imported car?

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  # 1410938 22-Oct-2015 10:32
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We bought a Nissan Primera some time ago and it came with only one intelligent key.  The local Nissan agent could get another registered to the car by using the Chassis etc information which is on a plate below the drivers seat.  However the cost was going to be about $500.
It might be worth a look on the Nissan forums, there were instructions on how to programme a key yourself by a combination of switcing on and off a programmed number of times.  You might be able to get hold of a second hand key from another car, change or get made another key shank and reprogramme the key that way.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1410941 22-Oct-2015 10:40
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nolanz: We bought a Nissan Primera some time ago and it came with only one intelligent key.  The local Nissan agent could get another registered to the car by using the Chassis etc information which is on a plate below the drivers seat.  However the cost was going to be about $500.
It might be worth a look on the Nissan forums, there were instructions on how to programme a key yourself by a combination of switcing on and off a programmed number of times.  You might be able to get hold of a second hand key from another car, change or get made another key shank and reprogramme the key that way.


Normally you need a working key to program a second key.

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  # 1410950 22-Oct-2015 10:42
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I'd expect you are looking at a reasonably expensive exercise.
If you have a blank key, I think you will need to get Nissan to program it (using vehicles VIN number), and as above, don't expect change from $500 for that.

Will your insurance cover it?

Also, if you are getting one done - consider getting a second one at the same time (or shortly thereafter) so this doesn't happen again.

I recently bought an import, and the one I originally looked at I passed over as the dealer only had one (smart) key. The one I bought wasn't the colour I would originally have chosen (but was fine) but had two smart keys.

Semi-related - when I took the car to an auto-electrician to get him to install the BT module/Band-expander into the OEM stereo, he mentioned that they do quite a few jobs where they hide the transponder in the car (for keyless entry/keyless start) and put a really good alarm/keyless entry/immobiliser system into the car - cheaper in a lot of cases than getting a replacement transponder key.

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  # 1410973 22-Oct-2015 11:04
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trig is correct. After a certain year even programming a second Nissan smartkey requires Nissan Japan's co-operation. They don't even copy the main key... They reprogram all the keys (both the one you have and the new one you buy) to the BCM (Body Control Module) of the car. Doing this requires a PIN (which MIGHT have been included when you bought the car on a small metal tag) which is used by Nissan Japan to issue the correct codes to allow your Nissan dealer (and only a Nissan dealer can do it) to program the car to the keys. If you don't have the PIN, the dealer can extract that from the car but again, Nissan Japan need to generate the codes to allow them to reprogram the car to accept the keys.

Source: I recently had a second key programmed for my 2009 Skyline and I spent some time with the techs asking what would happen if I lost my only key before the second key turned up. Everything they said was backed up by Internet forums and the couple of Locksmiths that knew what they were talking about.

I don't know SPECIFICALLY about the 2006 Teana having said all that - that year is right on the crossover of when they moved to this more secure system.

Cheers - N

edit... The cost for my second key was about $160 all up, but that's only because I managed to find the EXACT part number I needed and ordered it from http://jp-carparts.com/ - sorry I don't know how to find out exactly what part number you need... But for reference Nissan NZ wanted to charge about $250 for the key hardware and I ended up paying about $110 NZD including 3 day DHL shipping for it. Nissan in Chch were happy to program the car and cut the key blank.




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  # 1410979 22-Oct-2015 11:14
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Similar thing happens with Toyota. This can sometimes be covered by insurance.



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  # 1410982 22-Oct-2015 11:18
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Thanks for the info guys.

I have resigned myself to the fact that i am looking at a $500 - $600 bill. =( just want to know if it is possible to get the code from Japan, surely I cant be the first one to have this problem.

Also what happens if the mechanic calls tomorrow and says that they are unable to get the code. What are my options then?

 
 
 
 


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  # 1410985 22-Oct-2015 11:21
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Sarmed: Thanks for the info guys.

I have resigned myself to the fact that i am looking at a $500 - $600 bill. =( just want to if it is possible to get the code from Japan, surely I cant be the first one to have this problem.

Also what happens if the mechanic calls tomorrow and says that they are unable to get the code. What are my options then? 


When I bought my Rav4 with a proximity key (NZ new though, not an import) I was told that if I lost my code and both keys they'd have to replace the computer. Not sure if they were just making sure I didn't lose the code or if that's genuine.

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  # 1410991 22-Oct-2015 11:24
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Sarmed: Thanks for the info guys.

I have resigned myself to the fact that i am looking at a $500 - $600 bill. =( just want to know if it is possible to get the code from Japan, surely I cant be the first one to have this problem.

Also what happens if the mechanic calls tomorrow and says that they are unable to get the code. What are my options then?


The mechanic may not be able to get the code... I believe only authorised Nissan service agents can get it. In any case, many mechanics wouldn't have the specialised equipment required to reprogram the car.

You may end up having to get the car physically taken to a Nissan service agent...

BTW, at this point, the Geekzone advice should transition to "Speak to a professional" like we do with legal questions. In this case, an authorised, major Nissan service centre.

Cheers - N




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  # 1411080 22-Oct-2015 12:56
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I feel for you Sarmed, so much grief over a little thing what a bugger I guess the lesson leaned here is when you buy a new car using these technologies check it comes with two keys. I keep the spare in a draw at home with the metal tag attached for this reason.   

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  # 1411144 22-Oct-2015 14:21
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Sarmed: Thanks for the info guys.

I have resigned myself to the fact that i am looking at a $500 - $600 bill. =( just want to know if it is possible to get the code from Japan, surely I cant be the first one to have this problem.

Also what happens if the mechanic calls tomorrow and says that they are unable to get the code. What are my options then?


Insurance? most policies do cover lost keys (and associated costs, like transport to a Nissan service centre). Assuming you have comprehensive insurance, call them ASAP, they *should* arrange a car transporter to get it to a Nissan service agent with the computers/skills to get you new keys. Quite possible you may need a new ignition barrel if your keys are actually keys (ie. not keyless start).

I am assuming your car is somewhere around Turangi/Taupo? There may be a dealer in Taupo that can help, but it could be a major. As mentioned above, the computer may need replacing, it will certainly require reprogramming. I did the research when I got my (2007) Mazda with proximity keys (keyless entry/start) - basically if I lose both my fobs, it is a complete reprogram - big biccies, but it is possible for me to program a blank fob (which cost ~$150) if I have an existing one.



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  # 1411704 23-Oct-2015 11:20
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Hi Guys

Will pick up my car tomorrow. cost about $700.

incase any one else visits this post in the future. Yes it costly but a new intelligent key can be programmed to your vehicles ECU even in a small town such as owhango. I didnt take it to a nissan dealer. Most mechanics have contacts with locksmiths who are able to do this.

Its just very costly 

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  # 1411706 23-Oct-2015 11:22
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Sarmed: Hi Guys

Will pick up my car tomorrow. cost about $700.

incase any one else visits this post in the future. Yes it costly but a new intelligent key can be programmed to your vehicles ECU even in a small town such as owhango. I didnt take it to a nissan dealer. Most mechanics have contacts with locksmiths who are able to do this.

Its just very costly 


I think you got a bit lucky... I went through about 5 locksmiths that all initially said they could do it but once given the car chassis code came back and said they couldn't... I think you landed just on the right side of the date cutoff.

Glad it's sorted, even though not cheap!

Cheers - N





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  # 1411710 23-Oct-2015 11:26
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Nice outcome - however expensive.

Did you get one new key, or two? Can you get a second key made off the first one for cheaper?

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  # 1411724 23-Oct-2015 11:44
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trig42:
Semi-related - when I took the car to an auto-electrician to get him to install the BT module/Band-expander into the OEM stereo, he mentioned that they do quite a few jobs where they hide the transponder in the car (for keyless entry/keyless start) and put a really good alarm/keyless entry/immobiliser system into the car - cheaper in a lot of cases than getting a replacement transponder key.


trig42, bit OT but when you mention BT Module, what are you referring to? Did the OEM radio have a BT Module that wasn't compatible in NZ or where you installing a new BT Module to get BT capability? 

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