Aftermarket LED Running Lights w/ Indicator

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Topic # 185470 24-Nov-2015 10:53

I'm in Christchurch, and am wanting to get some LED daytime running lights installed on my 2005 Toyota Mark X like these:

I want the kind that also function as indicators, but the couple of palces I've asked are under the impression you can't get ones that do that. But a 30 second Google shows they do exist:

Can anyone recommend a a good place that can supply and fit this sort of thing in Christchurch?

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Reply # 1433795 24-Nov-2015 11:02

They do exist. I saw a pair on a vintage V8 on Sunday in South Auckland. Not seen them in the Hella range, but haven't looked for a good few months. Perhaps eBay or imported from Oz/USA?

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Reply # 1433797 24-Nov-2015 11:04

Plenty of dual orange and white ones online on the usual chinese places. Just be aware that the cheap ones have the build quality of a $2 shop toy. Also the description doesnt make it clear if they have inbuilt stuff to turn off the running light while indicating or not which is a requirement.

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Reply # 1433801 24-Nov-2015 11:11

richms: Plenty of dual orange and white ones online on the usual chinese places. Just be aware that the cheap ones have the build quality of a $2 shop toy. Also the description doesnt make it clear if they have inbuilt stuff to turn off the running light while indicating or not which is a requirement.

All the more reason I'd like to get them locally. Or at least a supplier in NZ and have them shipped to Christchurch.

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Reply # 1433813 24-Nov-2015 11:25

richms: Also the description doesnt make it clear if they have inbuilt stuff to turn off the running light while indicating or not which is a requirement.

Just to make sure I understand. When it is indicating it is not allowed to flash orange-white-orange-white etc, it has to flash orange-black-orange-black etc?

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Reply # 1433815 24-Nov-2015 11:29

Paul1977:
richms: Also the description doesnt make it clear if they have inbuilt stuff to turn off the running light while indicating or not which is a requirement.

Just to make sure I understand. When it is indicating it is not allowed to flash orange-white-orange-white etc, it has to flash orange-black-orange-black etc?

The way it was explained to me is that if the DRL is close to or contains an indicator then it has to dim or go out when indicating, and then come back to full brightness after the indicating has stopped. That is because it makes them hard to see the indicators.

Why that didnt matter with that really annoying trend of sticking the indicator on the end of the headlight so you cant see it when its coming towards you? Who knows.

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Reply # 1433823 24-Nov-2015 11:44

richms:
Paul1977:
richms: Also the description doesnt make it clear if they have inbuilt stuff to turn off the running light while indicating or not which is a requirement.

Just to make sure I understand. When it is indicating it is not allowed to flash orange-white-orange-white etc, it has to flash orange-black-orange-black etc?

The way it was explained to me is that if the DRL is close to or contains an indicator then it has to dim or go out when indicating, and then come back to full brightness after the indicating has stopped. That is because it makes them hard to see the indicators.

Why that didnt matter with that really annoying trend of sticking the indicator on the end of the headlight so you cant see it when its coming towards you? Who knows.

Most of the ones I see online seem to flash orange-white-orange-white when indicating.

Why is everything so difficult?

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Reply # 1433834 24-Nov-2015 11:47

Why do you absolutly need them to have indicators in them? There are controllers on aliexpress that will just flash the white DRL as an indicator. White indicators are legal here, they are not in EU so that is probably why there are so many that go white-orange instead of just using the same LEDs for both.

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Reply # 1433842 24-Nov-2015 11:54

richms: Why do you absolutly need them to have indicators in them? There are controllers on aliexpress that will just flash the white DRL as an indicator. White indicators are legal here, they are not in EU so that is probably why there are so many that go white-orange instead of just using the same LEDs for both.

Mainly just because that would be much cooler!

Also factory front indicators aren't very visible on my car, so definitely want the LEDs to be able to do that. Didn't realize white indicators were legal here, but would still prefer orange/amber.

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Reply # 1433848 24-Nov-2015 12:03

Thought just occured to me. The guy I was talking with was quoting one set of lighting standards. Cant recall if it was ADR or the euro ones, but there are many that are acceptable in NZ so perhaps you would be fine with the white-ornage ones?

Ive just got standard running lights sitting here waiting to go onto the MR-S but since the battery is in the back its more effort than I can expend at the moment.

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Reply # 1433879 24-Nov-2015 12:34

richms: Why do you absolutly need them to have indicators in them? There are controllers on aliexpress that will just flash the white DRL as an indicator. White indicators are legal here, they are not in EU so that is probably why there are so many that go white-orange instead of just using the same LEDs for both.

I saw a Euro car last week (I'm sure it was a Merc) which had LEDs running lights that included indicators; It certainly looked like these were original equipment, and I distinctly noticed (as this is the first time I'd seend the combination) that they flashed yellow/black when indicating (ie, the white was disabled).

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Reply # 1433884 24-Nov-2015 12:40

jonathan18:
I saw a Euro car last week (I'm sure it was a Merc) which had LEDs running lights that included indicators; It certainly looked like these were original equipment, and I distinctly noticed (as this is the first time I'd seend the combination) that they flashed yellow/black when indicating (ie, the white was disabled).

We get both aussie models and Japanese imports here, and also US stuff which allows white front and red rear indicators which arent allowed in EU, so I guess you can really just stick anything on the car and be ok so long as its done in one of those countries. And I dont expect the wof guys to know anything about it when its time for that since they pass so much other junk that shouldnt be allowed.

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Reply # 1433902 24-Nov-2015 13:15

jonathan18:
richms: Why do you absolutly need them to have indicators in them? There are controllers on aliexpress that will just flash the white DRL as an indicator. White indicators are legal here, they are not in EU so that is probably why there are so many that go white-orange instead of just using the same LEDs for both.

I saw a Euro car last week (I'm sure it was a Merc) which had LEDs running lights that included indicators; It certainly looked like these were original equipment, and I distinctly noticed (as this is the first time I'd seend the combination) that they flashed yellow/black when indicating (ie, the white was disabled).

Yeah, the ones I've seen here on new cars flash the amber & black. I'd hope it's just a matter of a good auto electrician being able to change amber-white to amber-black, but I'm not an electronics guy myself so really don't know.

I just assumed these would be common and easily done.

EDIT: It's interesting, as the driver I'm the only one who won't see it - but I still want it to look how i want it!

EDIT 2: https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/get-your-lights-right/get-your-lights-right/#day

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Reply # 1433905 24-Nov-2015 13:22

Paul1977: EDIT: It's interesting, as the driver I'm the only one who won't see it - but I still want it to look how i want it!

I know the feeling. I always wanted to put EDIT: LED DAYTIME RUNNING lights on my last car, but never got around to it; my current car came with factory-fitted ones, and I love that it has them but I never actually see them going! We passed a car the other day that had really bright EDIT: LED DAYTIME RUNNING lights, and I had to ask my wife if mine were that obvious.

How sad!

EDIT: Happy now??!!)

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Reply # 1433931 24-Nov-2015 14:08

jonathan18: I always wanted to put driving lights on my last car, but never got around to it; my current car came with factory-fitted ones, and I love that it has them but I never actually see them going! We passed a car the other day that had really bright driving lights, and I had to ask my wife if mine were that obvious.

How sad!

"Driving lights"? AFAIK most if not all manufacturers describe those lights as "Fog lights" as anything else would be an additional Main beam and have to be subject to dip control. As a fog light it is left to the driver to follow the law and use them only in fog or run around with them on all the time until a cop gives them a $150 fine.

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Reply # 1433993 24-Nov-2015 16:07

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Problem with using fog lights as daylight running lights (well, lets face it - those that use them have them on all the time) is that they will blind you as well as other drivers in regular dark conditions. They blind you from the light that is spilling out on the sides, and the other drivers from the light that is not focused the same way as regular running lights.

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