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Topic # 189147 18-Dec-2015 10:52
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/75248603/hamilton-crash-splits-car-in-two-leaves-pair-critical




I wish that something similar to LAMs / restricted license system for motorcycles would be introduced for car licenses, but with a penalty restricting drivers to unmodified low power "approved" cars for any serious infringement for an extended period, permanent restriction for the most serious offenses.  There are an assortment of used "affordable" imports coming in to the country these days with phenomenal performance, AMG E63 Mercs, assorted S and RS Audis, as well as cars like the Nissan GTR - or what's left of it - shown above.  They are not toys for kids - or for so-called grown ups who can't control their urges on roads that I have to share with them.  

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  Reply # 1452884 18-Dec-2015 11:03
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Compulsory insurance would have the same effect; cars of this type are impossible/unaffordable to insure unless you are very experienced and have a very clean insurance record

It would also prevent ownership of cheap, old, unsafe high performance cars by young, inexperienced drivers

NZ seems to be one of the few civilised countries without compulsory insurance but seems blind to the obvious solution

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  Reply # 1452886 18-Dec-2015 11:04
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Wow, how lucky were they.

Must have been some serious speed.

Also, I wouldn't call $100,000 affordable. Though I'm sure you can get them as imports, but they will still be expensive.

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When I got my motorcycle licence, it was here it is, come back in 6 months when you learned. Then full licence. Did me no harm. I gather that the restricted bikes are expensive to set back to full. But, in any case, the issue is with the rider/driver. When they get their full licence, they are still idiots. Bikes I think are restricted to 33hp, so you get a big restricted bike, or a 250cc bike, you can still be an idiot on them. All I can suggest is that fines and disqualifications are tougher based on the time licences are held for.

Same applies to cars, as per this thread

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  Reply # 1452894 18-Dec-2015 11:14
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shk292: Compulsory insurance would have the same effect.


My cousin pays £600pa for insurance on a 1L 2012 Ford Fiesta in the UK. I do not like the idea of compulsory insurance. 

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  Reply # 1452898 18-Dec-2015 11:27
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Yes I have heard people say that Compulsory Insurance would drive premiums upward.
Does anyone know why?

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  Reply # 1452901 18-Dec-2015 11:29
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This has nothing to do with the car and everything to do with the driver. I can get an old Nissan Sunny up to 120/130 and wrap myself around a tree if I wanted to.

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  Reply # 1452903 18-Dec-2015 11:34
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I wonder if their families will try and sue Nissan like Paul Walker's family are with Porsche?

Maybe since there weren't any innocent third parties affected (apart from the tree) it can be chalked up to Darwinism in action.




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  Reply # 1452904 18-Dec-2015 11:36
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UHD: This has nothing to do with the car and everything to do with the driver. I can get an old Nissan Sunny up to 120/130 and wrap myself around a tree if I wanted to.


It does have something to do with the car, I strongly suspect that 220/230kph (or more) was the issue here, loss of control after cresting a rise - possibly airborne - then driver panic.

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  Reply # 1452907 18-Dec-2015 11:38
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shk292: Compulsory insurance would have the same effect; cars of this type are impossible/unaffordable to insure unless you are very experienced and have a very clean insurance record

It would also prevent ownership of cheap, old, unsafe high performance cars by young, inexperienced drivers

NZ seems to be one of the few civilised countries without compulsory insurance but seems blind to the obvious solution


I don't see how anyone could afford a GTR (cheapest I've seen here yet is still around $70k) and not afford insurance. It also doesn't fall in to any of the categories you've given - cheap, old, unsafe.

While I agree with ideas about limiting performance / power / something for inexperienced drivers, it doesn't change the fact that a crash at 130kph is a crash at 130kph, regardless of how powerful the car is or isn't. 




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  Reply # 1452908 18-Dec-2015 11:40
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UHD: This has nothing to do with the car and everything to do with the driver. I can get an old Nissan Sunny up to 120/130 and wrap myself around a tree if I wanted to.


My thoughts exactly, I had a GT Legacy and was overtaken by a 1L Nissan March on the motorway. 

Its the driver not the car, and a lot of people think because they're in a performance car, that they should be able to drive like a race car driver. I never drove like an idiot in my Legacy, it was my pride and joy, there was no way I was going to risk losing it, myself or someone else.

If I wanted to drive like a race car driver, I'd be sensible and head to Hampton Downs or Pukekohe, not the local back street..... (never got the chance to goto either tho :( )

JC once said, "its not speed that kills, its the sudden stop"

These guys almost learnt that......

Waste of a car.





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Dingbatt: I wonder if their families will try and sue Nissan like Paul Walker's family are with Porsche?

Maybe since there weren't any innocent third parties affected (apart from the tree) it can be chalked up to Darwinism in action.


I wonder if like Porsche, assorted data is retained in the ECU, which if able to be recovered might help the serious crash unit to prove beyond doubt what an idiot the driver was - when he's probably going to try and defend himself by saying that he lost control when he served to avoid a cat or whatever.

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Inphinity: 

I don't see how anyone could afford a GTR (cheapest I've seen here yet is still around $70k) and not afford insurance. It also doesn't fall in to any of the categories you've given - cheap, old, unsafe.
 


Might find one of them worked for a car yard that had it for sale, and theyve taken it for a run.





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xpd:
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I don't see how anyone could afford a GTR (cheapest I've seen here yet is still around $70k) and not afford insurance. It also doesn't fall in to any of the categories you've given - cheap, old, unsafe.
 


Might find one of them worked for a car yard that had it for sale, and theyve taken it for a run.



 

Seen that happen in a brand new RS6....

My little audi S4. 10K of car, 340HP/600NM and would walk any jap import. I got some seriously fast quarter miles and top speeds on Hampton for the money.
I paid $1700 a year for insurance.





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I'm probably going to cop some flak for this, but here goes.

The first 2 posts are suggesting that the driver is either young and inexperienced.

As the stuff story doesn't give the ages of the drivers. It is entirely conceivable that the driver was an older driver. This could well be a case of money doesn't buy talent.

I've always liked the idea of a power restriction for new drivers on a Learners or Restricted license, how this would be enforced is the difficultly. Hell, a 2006 Honda civic 1.8 only has 103kW, but still can get you into some high speeds once the VTEC kicks in.

And as for the compulsory insurance? That would stop young people owning high performance vehicles, yes, but it wouldn't stop those with more money than talent wrapping themselves around a tree or slamming into someone else.



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  Reply # 1452933 18-Dec-2015 12:17
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WyleECoyoteNZ: I'm probably going to cop some flak for this, but here goes.

The first 2 posts are suggesting that the driver is either young and inexperienced.

As the stuff story doesn't give the ages of the drivers. It is entirely conceivable that the driver was an older driver. This could well be a case of money doesn't buy talent.

I've always liked the idea of a power restriction for new drivers on a Learners or Restricted license, how this would be enforced is the difficultly. Hell, a 2006 Honda civic 1.8 only has 103kW, but still can get you into some high speeds once the VTEC kicks in.

And as for the compulsory insurance? That would stop young people owning high performance vehicles, yes, but it wouldn't stop those with more money than talent wrapping themselves around a tree or slamming into someone else.


"both men were wearing boardshorts and appeared to be in their 20s or 30s"

People making comments about how you can do the same in a honda civic or corolla have clearly never been in a Nissan GTR to see how fast things can happen in a car of that performance class.
These will migrate down to boy-racer affordability, then next issue is that with turbo/injector upgrade and preferably upgraded DSG clutchpacks, figures of  >1000 wheel hp and >800Nm torque can be achieved.

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