Red light Cameras

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# 214929 3-Jun-2017 13:16

Anyone know if there are plans to introduce more red light cameras around Auckland? I remember reading they were trialing a new type of camera a couple of years back.
Red light running seems to be endemic, these days when I get the green light, I know I will have to wait for 2 to 3 more cars to go by before its safe to go.

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# 1794197 3-Jun-2017 13:28

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# 1794201 3-Jun-2017 13:48

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Red light cameras at motorway on-ramps... that would be good to see!

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# 1794205 3-Jun-2017 13:51

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I'd prefer they spent the money on adaptive motorway on ramp light controllers. Uh maybe they don't exist yet..

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# 1794206 3-Jun-2017 13:51

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Dunnersfella:

Red light cameras at motorway on-ramps... that would be good to see!

Why? I dont understand people that get annoyed at people who run those or take them at their literal value which is one car per green when they put so many greens on the same pole.

There is no safety issue, and it means those behind them get thru sooner if more cars run them.

I will usually wait at them, but I was behind someone who was going down a deserted onramp with about 3 green cycles as they tootled down the onramp and then they stopped at the red waiting for it to go green. Would you fine them?

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# 1794227 3-Jun-2017 15:25

Check with Auckland Transport, they are meant to be investigating new ones along with New Zealand Police.

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# 1794276 3-Jun-2017 17:19

NZ Police control the use of Red Light Cameras, including the fines collected; none of this goes to the local road controlling authority such as Auckland Transport. They work with the RCA to determine best location but ultimately roll out is controlled by Police. I believe they where looking at a few more but really given the poor quality of driving in Auckland, we need significantly more.

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# 1795450 6-Jun-2017 15:56

richms:

Dunnersfella:

Red light cameras at motorway on-ramps... that would be good to see!

Why? I dont understand people that get annoyed at people who run those or take them at their literal value which is one car per green when they put so many greens on the same pole.

There is no safety issue, and it means those behind them get thru sooner if more cars run them.

I will usually wait at them, but I was behind someone who was going down a deserted onramp with about 3 green cycles as they tootled down the onramp and then they stopped at the red waiting for it to go green. Would you fine them?

Improper merging dramatically disrupts the main flow (not speed matching main flow, cutting in, main flow giving way to joining traffic etc). Ramp light research proved that these kept the motorways flowing faster and shortened journey times on the motorway, hence they were rolled out everywhere. If people could grasp the concept of merging then ramp lights would be un-necessary, unfortunately, ramp lights are presently necessary.

Agree, with OP's sentiment - I would be happy with 100% red-light camera coverage in my area - it is quite suicidal to go on a green without first looking in West Auckland.

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# 1795482 6-Jun-2017 16:13

Every day as I drive through the intersection it makes me wonder if there is actually a red light camera in Wellington at Victor St / Caro Dr as claimed by the Police. There is a speed camera there - but the irony of this is that for much of the day it's impossible to do 50km/h due to congestion, and virtually every light change has 2-3 vehicles that run red lights. If there is a red light camera it must be hugely profitable and also very ineffective.

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# 1795485 6-Jun-2017 16:17

tripper1000:

Improper merging dramatically disrupts the main flow (not speed matching main flow, cutting in, main flow giving way to joining traffic etc). Ramp light research proved that these kept the motorways flowing faster and shortened journey times on the motorway, hence they were rolled out everywhere. If people could grasp the concept of merging then ramp lights would be un-necessary, unfortunately, ramp lights are presently necessary.

Agree, with OP's sentiment - I would be happy with 100% red-light camera coverage in my area - it is quite suicidal to go on a green without first looking in West Auckland.

NZTA roll out ramp meters in Auckland (in addition to some of the above) as they believe the motorway network to be for strategic trips only and that local connections should be restricted. This is why if you're coming from far away its much easier to move on the network than closer to the CBD. Removing the ramp meters close to the CBD would be disastrous for the capacity and would slow the entire network down to a crawl during peak... Unfortunately a consequence of ramp meters is that they help promote sprawl... Its quicker to drive from Helensville than it is to drive or catch PT from New Lynn to the CBD by bus!

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# 1795488 6-Jun-2017 16:19

They require these on Barrys point road, Fred Thomas drive onto Esmonde urgently. People will still be flowing from the 2 side roads into gridlock and queue up across both lanes of traffic and keep going after its red!
Usually sitting 1mm from their side hard on the horn till they move gets them raging their heads off and moving a bit quicker. I'm glad to infuriate such an imbecile.

The red light camera on Fanshaw is yet to prove its worth. Nothings changed.

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# 1796145 7-Jun-2017 20:01

tripper1000:

Improper merging dramatically disrupts the main flow (not speed matching main flow, cutting in, main flow giving way to joining traffic etc). Ramp light research proved that these kept the motorways flowing faster and shortened journey times on the motorway, hence they were rolled out everywhere. If people could grasp the concept of merging then ramp lights would be un-necessary, unfortunately, ramp lights are presently necessary.

Agree that in some situations the ramp signals improve traffic flow. However on most of them the ramp length between the lights and the merge point is way too short. Meaning you get cars doing 60Km/Hr trying to merge into traffic doing 100KM/Hr. Which stuffs the traffic flow. And also means that trucks don't like using the left most lanes, as they prefer to keep a steady speed whenever possible.

Far better would be to leave them off until the amount of traffic on the motorway causes the speed to drop to 60-70KM/Hr. And only then turn them on, to help stop motorway speeds dropping further. The other frustration is how the multi lane ramp signals go green for both lanes at the same time. Meaning you get either a drag race, or both cars will slow down at the same time as they are both neck and neck where they need to merge. So again slower speeds at merge time. Why can't they just have them going green 1 at a time? Presumably whoever designed the ramp signals has never seen the flashing lights at railway level crossings.

And the ones that have a truck and T3 lane that bypasses the ramp signals. Why is that restriction never enforced?

You can tell that they are aware of the ramp signals limitations now. As they used to always switch on the Greville rd Southbound ones. And cause really bad localised congestion around just that onramp. That one doesn't get switched on as often now. As they have finally realised that having slow traffic trying to merge with fast traffic is a bad idea.

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# 1798402 12-Jun-2017 12:10

Aredwood:

Agree that in some situations the ramp signals improve traffic flow. However on most of them the ramp length between the lights and the merge point is way too short. Meaning you get cars doing 60Km/Hr trying to merge into traffic doing 100KM/Hr. Which stuffs the traffic flow. And also means that trucks don't like using the left most lanes, as they prefer to keep a steady speed whenever possible.

Yeah, I can't disagree, Auckland motorways are littered with overly short on-ramps which is far from ideal, however competent drivers know to compensate by hitting the gas and speed matching the main flow.

It gives me the hebe-jebe's following a slow car down an otherwise clear on ramp - instead of focusing my attention on merging/mirrors/blind spots I end up watching their brake-lights like a Hawke, waiting for the inevitable brake-stab. More than once I've shot up the left side of a leading merging car to avoid being compacted between them selves and the hood of a desperately braking truck.

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# 1798415 12-Jun-2017 12:46

I think red-light running is becoming national habit. I travel for work and I've noticed red-light running increasing in large and small centres. We are well past amber-gambling. People are entering intersections until lights have actually turned red and frequently after as well.

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# 1798446 12-Jun-2017 13:06

MikeAqua:

I think red-light running is becoming national habit. I travel for work and I've noticed red-light running increasing in large and small centres. We are well past amber-gambling. People are entering intersections until lights have actually turned red and frequently after as well.

The idiots that get me are those who accelerate hard through the amber phase to try to beat the red - so not only do they enter the intersection on a red, they are going at a stupid speed.

I'd be happy if they put cameras on every set of lights in Auckland, it's long overdue

I wonder though, whether shorter light phases would help. There are some intersections where if you miss the green, you're in for a very long wait - during which you can mostly watch and empty intersection.

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# 1798448 12-Jun-2017 13:10

Dunnersfella:

Red light cameras at motorway on-ramps... that would be good to see!

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