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Topic # 23200 21-Jun-2008 17:41
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Fines rise to keep car parks clear for disabled

About time! Disabled people already have a hard time, without those of us who don't have a disability taking their car parks.  The close proximity of their car parks are there for a reason, when will people learn to stop being lazy and find a normal car park?

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  Reply # 139601 21-Jun-2008 17:51
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Are you trying to get your name on the next Queens Birthday Honours List for good citizenship?

But yes, I agree.

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  Reply # 139605 21-Jun-2008 18:03
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9 times out of 10 when i see a car parked in a disability it's an NZ Courier van!  Those guys are shameless! 

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  Reply # 139610 21-Jun-2008 18:39
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New zealand couriers are worse and they think they have there own road rules fines should be bigger and licences removed.

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  Reply # 139612 21-Jun-2008 18:51
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Ive always pondered what happens if there is a legit user already using the space and another legit user is wanting to use that space?
It amuses me that you only ever really see one or two spaces reserved.





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  Reply # 139633 21-Jun-2008 21:16
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Disabled carparks are there to be used by disabled people.

About a year ago my Dad had to use the disabled carparks because of a relativly seriouse illness (although he couldnt actually drive) but they were good for when we took him out for a trip, so he didnt have to walk as far.

It got incredibly annoying when someone just paused there car in a spot which meant we couldnt go into a disabled carpark.

Even though you are only in them for a minute, it still can cause inconveniances.




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  Reply # 139663 22-Jun-2008 04:20
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I am a slightly (?!?) inconsiderate driver at times, I am not P.C. at all, don't always stop at stop signs, and try and get away with whatever I can on the road within the bounds of reasonable safety.

But...

I would never ever ever park in a disabled space, ever, for any reason other than parking legitimately with a mobility card for dropping off, picking up, or parking with/for a genuinely disabled person.

If I was disabled, I will key their paint, pour milkshakes through open windows or shove potatos up exhaust pipes (and worse I'd say), especially to courier drivers.

Note to couriers: double parking is illegal. Putting your hazard lights on does not make it any less illegal. I visit the same businesses as you for professional reasons too - do you see me double parking, dangerously blocking lanes/roads? No - I park, and walk there - even if its just a 2 second drop-paperwork-off just as quick as a courier parcel.




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  Reply # 139667 22-Jun-2008 07:38
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Personally I would have set fine to $1000! These disability permits are not free so therefore the only people allowed to park are those with the permit, anytime. I like the public profile this latest increase has gotten as I am sure there will be a few ashamed drivers out there who have previously parked in those spots. I cannot believe how some people who are challenged for parking in disabled parks get abusive, another symptom of a society that has lost its way.




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  Reply # 139819 22-Jun-2008 23:34
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I'm glad the fine has gone up. I, too, think it should be higher still!
I actually get quite mad when I see cars or people parked in there with no mobility card.

I'm in no way disabled, nor do I know anyone who is, but its the lack of respect. It annoys me how much lack of respect people have for each other these days.

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  Reply # 139836 23-Jun-2008 07:58
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I agree with Riahon! $1000 all the way!




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  Reply # 139843 23-Jun-2008 08:32
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There should be a website dedicated to shaming those that use disable parking without permits. We could post a pic of these shameful drivers.





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  Reply # 139872 23-Jun-2008 10:12
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riahon:

There should be a website dedicated to shaming those that use disable parking without permits. We could post a pic of these shameful drivers.



A lot of people on this forum are IT experts, right?  What's stopping us.  If we set it up right it could go on the national news.  We could have various sections for various traffic infractions etc....

What does everyone think?

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  Reply # 139874 23-Jun-2008 10:24
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Actually I think just raising the fines is a waste of time.


The reason for this thinking is quite simple - many people do not pay their fines anyway, so the audience that will sit up and take notice of the rise is going to be mostly be those who would not park in disabled spaces anyway.  It's another example of another law change which will only serve to keep the honest honest...


Parking wardens have vehicles at their disposal (team leaders?) - these should be stocked with wheel clamps and anyone caught parking in a disabled park without proper authority should be clamped.  This will cause the offenders major inconvenience and force a payout so their vehicle can be unclamped.


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  Reply # 139880 23-Jun-2008 10:46
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Actually there IS something more annoying that people parking in disability spots ...

... it's the self proclaimed "disabled parking spot police"!

It is sooooooooo annoying when we pull up into a disabled parking spot and immediately get "the look", "the look" being "They don't look disabled!" .. grrrrrrrrr!  It'w worse if it is just me in the car, then the look means "You're not disabled at all!!!!!"

Just my grumble for the day.

Just to clarify .. I'm not disabled, but m wife is, and in a way that is not really visible externally ... hence the "looks".

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  Reply # 139881 23-Jun-2008 10:48
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Coming from a family with 2 disabilities, I can honestly say this issue is NEVER going to be resolved by raising the amount of fines.  I have seen so many cases of people parking in disability spaces and just sitting there with a look on there face that says 'look at me and I will kill you, I am here and I am not going to move my fat arse...', which just annoys the s**t out of me.  Where do these people get off?  Personally I think it's because these people in general are so LAZY, if they could park in a supermaket checkout so they didn't have to walk 10 meters they would!

There have been many TV programs where cameras have caught people parking illegally in these spaces (Target a few weeks ago???) yet poeple still do.  And they will continue to, which just sucks!

The only way to fix this is to tow there cars, then they cannot park then there!  Worse, recently there was a scam where mobility parking permits where being stolen and sold so more lazy s**ts could park there!

Final comment - a LOT of the problems are made worse by lazy shop owners (Foodtown, Pack n save etc) who own a lof of these parks (the ones not in public parking areas) who do NOTHING to patrol the parks and make sure they are used properly, they are just as much at fault as the people parking there without permits.

(Admins - sorry for all the rude words, but this is a topic that is very personal to me and one I have to deal with every time we drive anywhere).

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  Reply # 139882 23-Jun-2008 10:50
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Mark: Actually there IS something more annoying that people parking in disability spots ...

... it's the self proclaimed "disabled parking spot police"!

It is sooooooooo annoying when we pull up into a disabled parking spot and immediately get "the look", "the look" being "They don't look disabled!" .. grrrrrrrrr!  It'w worse if it is just me in the car, then the look means "You're not disabled at all!!!!!"

Just my grumble for the day.

Mark



Oh yes, thats SO true!  I LOVE jumping out of my car, skipping around it, with these idiots watching me, then taking 2 wheelchairs out of the boot!  They stupid idiots don't know where to look!

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