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#306920 3-Sep-2023 20:22
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Having recently purchased one of these, I thought I’d offer some thoughts.

This is my third Subaru. The first was a twin turbo Legacy wagon, our first car in NZ. The second was a forester a couple of years ago that we sold back to the dealer so I could recycle the money into my Can Am Spyder.

This one is the best of the lot. The build quality is equal to Germany now and is comparable to VW or Skoda etc. It’s quiet as a church mouse inside and the seats are phenomenally comfortable, heated and ventilated and electrically adjusted. The nappa leather is soft and very nice to the touch.

The guages are a little dated: they’re still actual needles on dials whereas one might expect a more modern screen synthesis now. However they are easy to read and do what they’re intended to do.

The huge 11” screen in the centre is your menus, settings, maps, Car Play etc and is very good although they should ask Apple to consult on the UI.

The engine (2.4 Turbo out of the WRX with a few less horsepower but same torque) is lovely and well worth the price of admission if you can stretch to it. It makes the car quieter and less frenzied and it lifts the towing capacity to 2400kg braked.

Fuel economy so far over only about 1000km of mixed driving and keeping the revs below 4k as per the handbook has been a reasonable 8.2 l/100. I’m a smooth driver who does not drive like a madman and then stand on the brakes, so my driving style probably helps the economy.

Handling is very good. Updated dampers and other suspension parts front and rear help with a smooth ride that exhibits little roll and of course the grip is excellent with the AWD.

Is it worth the not insignificant cost (plus the $5,000 tax penalty!)? To me, yes. 3 years free servicing and a 6 year warranty help sweeten the deal and the car is really as close to an ideal NZ car as you can get if you want to tour around a bit, tow a trailer, tow a boat, carry loads of camping gear etc etc.

The extra power makes overtaking much safer by reducing your exposure to danger whilst on the wrong side of the road. The Eyesight system is excellent (although US cars already have a better system with a third camera that we don’t get) and is an added layer of reassurance if you’re distracted.

I think it’s a great choice if you don’t really want an SUV but do want a light off road capable, very safe wagon with useful towing capacity and enough bant to put a smile on your face when you drop the hammer.





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  #3123412 3-Sep-2023 21:05
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I am glad that Subaru brought the Turbo engine back in 2.5ltr form.

Your fuel economy is really good as most reviews I saw were around 11l/100km mark which is high considering official figures are around 9l/100km. I am a fan of station wagons/estates. Personally I would go with Mazda 6 wagon with turbo engine in the same price bracket as Outback with some change to spare and also Mazda 6 has no CVT gearbox. I know CVT has come a long way now in reliability. Towing capacity of 2400kg is very nice on the Outback. My previous Mazda CX5 turbo AWD did only 2000kg towing.





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  #3123475 4-Sep-2023 10:53
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I think a lot of the economy figures found in reviews are based on journalists getting in a turbo and going “Woooohoooo!” on free petrol!🤣





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  #3136746 30-Sep-2023 07:36
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Got one myself and very similar fuel economy of 8L average and 12L when driving like a journalist.




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  #3136823 30-Sep-2023 10:59
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Yes. They’re great cars. That fuel economy reflects mine pretty much exactly.





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  #3137010 30-Sep-2023 13:48
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just make sure you change the CVT oil. 

 

Subaru says the CVT fluid is a "lifetime fluid". meaning when the CVT implodes, the life of the car ends.


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  #3137132 30-Sep-2023 18:55
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How do you find the CVT?

 

I had a Nissan Murano way back in the day and I grew to hate the unit in that.





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  #3137169 30-Sep-2023 22:41
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I find it quiet and just does the job. Driven hard it is more noticeable as a cvt.


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  #3144201 8-Oct-2023 07:31
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well well well

 

recall how i said Subaru advised against me servicing the transmission as it is a lifetime sealed unit

 

well i insisted they change the oil every 2 years, have had it for 10 years

 

it now has 100,000kms and this morning the transmission has died

 

lifetime of my car has ended

 

10 years 100,000kms

 

RIP

 

(PS i drive it like a grandmother know how fragile CVTs are. i don't even drive it like a boy racer)


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  #3144208 8-Oct-2023 08:23
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So changing the oil made no difference?

Friend bought a 2012 Imprezza that developed a noise in CVT. $3000 rebuild later it seems OK. Can't say I like it. Suzuki tried Nissan CVT for awhile then switched to 6 speed auto. With normal driving that seems easier to forget about the trans.

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  #3144234 8-Oct-2023 10:33
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Bung: So changing the oil made no difference?

Friend bought a 2012 Imprezza that developed a noise in CVT. $3000 rebuild later it seems OK. Can't say I like it. Suzuki tried Nissan CVT for awhile then switched to 6 speed auto. With normal driving that seems easier to forget about the trans.

 

doesn't seem to for me. also driving like a gran (instead of mashing the simulated locked ratio aka "gears" to 6000rpm in manual mode) didn't seem to make difference. had the car since 10,000kms. so put 90,000kms in 10 years, not exactly super stressed. but i do take it to ski fields at every opportunity - that has wrecked the bodywork and suspension but i wouldn't say that type of slow crawl uphill and downhill is going to stress the CVT. i also descend with brakes rather than rely heavily on "engine braking".

 

i would have thought the engine would go first as i only change the oil at 12 months.

 

getting it towed to dealer, might have some updates.

 

mind you this CVT is the first generation of the high torque ones but the low torque ones have similar stories, hence i insisted on the $500 ATF fluid change biannually.


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  #3144238 8-Oct-2023 10:44
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to @geektastic i won't worry about it - new car, new warranty, new technology. 10 years is a lot of time to develop a unit and fix any weaknesses. 99% of subarus use the CVT unit (separated to high torque and low torque), so maybe 15-20% of all subarus use this high torque CVT tech inc the WRX, they would have ironed out issues. but a time bomb it becomes after 10 years 100,000kms.


 
 
 

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  #3144240 8-Oct-2023 10:50
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I find Subaru CVT units quite different from others I’ve driven. They use chains not belts which is unusual and especially with the XT variant the torque in the engine entirely removes the high rev/no progress effect some CVTs can exhibit.

I’ve blown up manual and conventional gearboxes before - my father blew a conventional auto in an S Class Mercedes once.






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  #3152634 27-Oct-2023 12:07
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Batman:

 

well well well

 

recall how i said Subaru advised against me servicing the transmission as it is a lifetime sealed unit

 

well i insisted they change the oil every 2 years, have had it for 10 years

 

it now has 100,000kms and this morning the transmission has died

 

lifetime of my car has ended

 

10 years 100,000kms

 

RIP

 

(PS i drive it like a grandmother know how fragile CVTs are. i don't even drive it like a boy racer)

 

 

 

 

If you have a full service history with a Subaru dealer, I'd expect them (or Subaru NZ) to come to the party. 100,000km is unacceptable, especially with such a good service history. I know Nissan replaced a huge number of CVTs out of warranty.

 

My brother bought a Subaru Impreza brand new in 2014. It developed rust around the rear hatch, which the dealer repaired. Then the rust came back (not repaired properly the first time) and after digging deeper it was discovered the rust was so bad the car might be a write-off. Despite being 8 years old at that point, Subaru bought the car back off him at a fair price.


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