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#1998082 17-Apr-2018 20:39

kornflake: Can any one educate me, in how Spark are going to mitigate (and Voda and 2 degrees) the back haul on cell towers been smashed to bits during the broadcasts, for those connecting on rural wireless connections? Are cdns going to be put in each individual tower.

Edit: clarified I was asking about fixed rural wireless

might be something to consider for a low end DMR but honestly. the airwaves are the limiting factor not the backhaul.

Plenty of work is going into this area. More than likely you will find the data cap will be the limiting factor not the tower.

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#1998097 17-Apr-2018 20:52

kornflake: Can any one educate me, in how Spark are going to mitigate (and Voda and 2 degrees) the back haul on cell towers been smashed to bits during the broadcasts, for those connecting on rural wireless connections? Are cdns going to be put in each individual tower.

Edit: clarified I was asking about fixed rural wireless

Voda and Sky used to have streaming on 3G. Obviously it was significantly under today's expectations of acceptable. It will all depend on how the streams adjust to speed. Not everyone is watching Netflix at 15.xMbps either, yet it is available.

Side question/thought I wonder if tiered pricing will help control this.

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#2000329 21-Apr-2018 15:55

evilengineer:

If Spark release a full suite of Android/iOS/SmartTV apps (which they no doubt will) then somewhat obviously, "no new hardware would be required" if you already own such a device.

Equally obviously, if you don't own such a device then some sort of additional purchase will be required.

So according to Nielsen only 38% of households have either an Internet enabled TV (29%), or a Apple TV or Chromecast device (18%). That just under two thirds of the population that don't have the availability to watch the RWC on their TV if it was held today, and will need to spend more than the cost of the subscription itself if they want to watch it next year. That surely must be worrying for Spark. (source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12036520 )

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#2000333 21-Apr-2018 16:13

stinger:
evilengineer:

If Spark release a full suite of Android/iOS/SmartTV apps (which they no doubt will) then somewhat obviously, "no new hardware would be required" if you already own such a device.

Equally obviously, if you don't own such a device then some sort of additional purchase will be required.

So according to Nielsen only 38% of households have either an Internet enabled TV (29%), or a Apple TV or Chromecast device (18%). That just under two thirds of the population that don't have the availability to watch the RWC on their TV if it was held today, and will need to spend more than the cost of the subscription itself if they want to watch it next year. That surely must be worrying for Spark. (source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12036520 )

If you read the Sky threads all you hear is get with the times it’s 2018. Old tech etc.

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#2000428 21-Apr-2018 20:38

But if you include PCs, laptops, tablets and cellphones what is the possible penetration of the market? You would probably find somewhere around 80% of the population able to view it.
In 1974 the sales of colour TVs prior to the Christchurch Commonwealth Games was huge. This is just the same but two generations later.

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#2000750 22-Apr-2018 19:14

stinger:

evilengineer:

If Spark release a full suite of Android/iOS/SmartTV apps (which they no doubt will) then somewhat obviously, "no new hardware would be required" if you already own such a device.

Equally obviously, if you don't own such a device then some sort of additional purchase will be required.

So according to Nielsen only 38% of households have either an Internet enabled TV (29%), or a Apple TV or Chromecast device (18%). That just under two thirds of the population that don't have the availability to watch the RWC on their TV if it was held today, and will need to spend more than the cost of the subscription itself if they want to watch it next year. That surely must be worrying for Spark. (source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12036520 )

History is littered with obsolete technology... You could equally say it was a massive risk for Sky to enter the market since no-one had satellite dishes.

My parents have Sky but (currently) not the ability to watch on demand at the TV (they have computers). It was interesting hearing them complain like it's expected everything should be on Sky because they already pay for it and now they have to pay for another thing... I like how people choose when user pays applies to them!

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#2000836 23-Apr-2018 00:35

sdav:
History is littered with obsolete technology... You could equally say it was a massive risk for Sky to enter the market since no-one had satellite dishes.

My parents have Sky but (currently) not the ability to watch on demand at the TV (they have computers). It was interesting hearing them complain like it's expected everything should be on Sky because they already pay for it and now they have to pay for another thing... I like how people choose when user pays applies to them!

If your parents have Sky, how do they not have On Demand? Hasn't Sky swapped out all the old digital decoders? If they have the old MySky or the new Kaon box then either the flaky wireless box or a direct Ethernet connection will give access, won't it?

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#2000837 23-Apr-2018 00:59

ockel:

If your parents have Sky, how do they not have On Demand? Hasn't Sky swapped out all the old digital decoders? If they have the old MySky or the new Kaon box then either the flaky wireless box or a direct Ethernet connection will give access, won't it?

My parents have two Sky decoders, put wouldn't know how the On Demand feature works, let alone use it.

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#2000838 23-Apr-2018 01:13

stinger:
ockel:

If your parents have Sky, how do they not have On Demand? Hasn't Sky swapped out all the old digital decoders? If they have the old MySky or the new Kaon box then either the flaky wireless box or a direct Ethernet connection will give access, won't it?

My parents have two Sky decoders, put wouldn't know how the On Demand feature works, let alone use it.

I showed my in-laws once, and they are well into their 70's, and they found it simple. If you can use the Sky remote and navigate around the clunky Sky OS menus then any monkey can use it.

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#2000929 23-Apr-2018 10:35

evilengineer:

If Spark release a full suite of Android/iOS/SmartTV apps (which they no doubt will) then somewhat obviously, "no new hardware would be required" if you already own such a device.

Equally obviously, if you don't own such a device then some sort of additional purchase will be required.

I'm not sure watching rugby on a cell phone or tablet is really a practical solution. SmartTV works.

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#2000933 23-Apr-2018 10:44

MikeAqua:
evilengineer:

If Spark release a full suite of Android/iOS/SmartTV apps (which they no doubt will) then somewhat obviously, "no new hardware would be required" if you already own such a device.

Equally obviously, if you don't own such a device then some sort of additional purchase will be required.

I'm not sure watching rugby on a cell phone or tablet is really a practical solution. SmartTV works.

Sadly about 30% of streaming video is consumed via small screens like mobiles and tablets. In some countries (like a) it's much higher - commuting consumption.

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#2001411 24-Apr-2018 09:41

Oh my. Newsrooms analysis of Sparks aspirations notes that Lightbox has as many 1 star ratings as 5 stars.
And the technology reporter notes his experience with Lightbox is on par with Neon. And we all know the general opinion around here regarding Neon

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#2001414 24-Apr-2018 09:45

The newsroom analysis is extraordinarily naive. It's been announced that Lightbox is getting some big upgrades in the next few weeks (It's a complete underlying technology refresh) and the point he makes about RWC coming from Japan is irrelevant. The RWC solution will be served from NZ CDNs.

(Source: I run our CDNs)

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#2001417 24-Apr-2018 09:52

ockel: Oh my. Newsrooms analysis of Sparks aspirations notes that Lightbox has as many 1 star ratings as 5 stars.
And the technology reporter notes his experience with Lightbox is on par with Neon. And we all know the general opinion around here regarding Neon

Did they discuss the age of the ratings? People use once and quit? People comparing with NF? Personally I've found the app acceptable. I'd be more worried about serving it all up at once than the LB's capability. Surely, this will be thought out. Sky's digital offerings have had a history of insufficient capacity before as well. I'd be surprised if those involved didn't appreciate how important this will be to get right.

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#2001428 24-Apr-2018 10:24

Talkiet:
The newsroom analysis is extraordinarily naive. It's been announced that Lightbox is getting some big upgrades in the next few weeks (It's a complete underlying technology refresh) and the point he makes about RWC coming from Japan is irrelevant. The RWC solution will be served from NZ CDNs.

(Source: I run our CDNs)

Cheers - N

I don't think it's as naive as some thoughts and analysis (here or in the media). If, on one hand, there is a claim of a new platform and the launch of livestreaming from April 2018 but, on the other hand, giving the more imminent U20 RWC events to TVNZ because the platform is not ready then that suggests there is a mountain of work to build, test and stresstest an app for a highly public event.

BTW, the comment about Japan and technology does suggest a shortfall of knowledge on feeds. The issue isn't the raw feed but the distributed delivery to the end consumer.

Jumping technology from one supplier to another raises those CDMA spectres of days gone past. Gotta hope spark can get it right first time especially with the loss of key management talent from Lightbox's early days. Bring back the Snodgrass!

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