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#2953134 10-Aug-2022 17:47

Agree. Fair play to him to move to his family. He may well turn up offshore if he can use that as a family experience. Holiday, etc. I watch a lot of sport, there is a LOT of sacrifice generally.

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#2953151 10-Aug-2022 18:21

Sad to see Boult go but this could lead an opportunity for Henry to be permanently selected for test cricket. With Boult gone we lose a left arm fast bowler in the white ball games. Knowing that he is the only one that bowls left arm pace bowler in NZ other than Wagner he probably thought he would still be selected cause of that so deciding to opt out of NZC was a good option for him.

Other than Wagner are there any domestic players who are left arm pace bowlers who can bowl just as good as Boult?

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#2953155 10-Aug-2022 18:29

tdgeek:

Agree. Fair play to him to move to his family. He may well turn up offshore if he can use that as a family experience. Holiday, etc. I watch a lot of sport, there is a LOT of sacrifice generally.

He'll still play IPL. He makes NZD1.6 million a season for 2 months work.

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#2956639 19-Aug-2022 17:12

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That's the end of test cricket for Trent Boult. I'm really sad to see him go, he's one of the absolute greats of NZ cricket. We're at the end of a golden era, it's been great but it's all but over.

Yeah, I've been wondering with the loss of BJ, Rosco and now Boult that we're at the end of an unprecedented period of NZ men's cricket. As a long time fan I made the pilgrimages to the MCG in 2019 and to Lords earlier this year to see NZ play test cricket at those legendary venues. It was so disappointed to see NZ capitulate on the opening day of that test at Lords though, with the English hysteria around the appointments of Stokes, McCullum and the return of Jimmy and Broad, it was probably inevitable in hindsight.

For anyone who loves cricket and hasn't been to Lords, I can't recommend it highly enough. I did the tour of the ground the day after the test finished and to go through the Members Pavilion, sit in the dressing rooms and on the balcony, and see the Honours Boards was something I'll never forget. Interestingly they were a bit slack getting Mitchell's hundred up, it was hand-written on a bit of strapping tape when I went through. However, doing the MCG tour the day after in 2019, Blundell's hundred had already been signwritten on their board properly.

I think the upcoming home season is going to tell the future for the Blackcap over the next 3-4 years. So many of the batsmen have had terrible seasons by their own standards over the past 12 months. Really need to come back to their averages this summer to stop the rot.

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#2957587 22-Aug-2022 10:07

thermonuclear:

I think the upcoming home season is going to tell the future for the Blackcap over the next 3-4 years. So many of the batsmen have had terrible seasons by their own standards over the past 12 months. Really need to come back to their averages this summer to stop the rot.

We are at our best when we were playing with a positive attitude in test matches, need to get back to that type of attitude - in our tests at home & away against the poms we were too tentative, didn't bat or bowl well in partnerships, the bowlers didn't bowl in good areas consistently, our batting was even worse, they didn't really move their feet, poor shot selection & lack of patience... because we couldn't score good totals in our 1st inning in each test at bat against the Poms we were on the back foot for the whole test series.

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#2959410 25-Aug-2022 17:29

NZ certainly would've gained some confidence by winning both the 20/20 & ODI Series in the West Indies... on the 6th Sept we play over the ditch against Aussie in the Chappell-Hadlee ODI Series in Cairns.

NZ showed good composure in the last ODI to chase down a score over 300 :

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#2959469 25-Aug-2022 18:22

Here's the squad for Australia.

Kane Williamson (capt), Finn Allen, Trent Boult, Michael Bracewell, Devon Conway, Lockie Ferguson, Martin Guptill, Matt Henry, Tom Latham (wk), Daryl Mitchell, Jimmy Neesham, Glenn Phillips, Mitchell Santner, Ben Sears, Tim Southee

Not knowing what the Cairns wicket is like and still two weeks out, I'll name the XI I'd like to see (in batting order) ...

Conway
Guptill
Williamson
Mitchell
Latham
Phillips
Bracewell
Neesham
Ferguson
Southee
Boult

This is going to sound terrible, but not sure about Williamson at the moment. It's been difficult for me to see him struggling with form and injury the past 12 months or more. He's been normally so dependable for NZ. Used to be an outstanding gully and more than useful spinner, he's given both those away. Now the runs are have been faltering in recent times. As a long time fan, it worries me.

Anyway, should Williamson not be able to roll up for the first match, I'd drop Conway to first drop and bring Allen in to open. No place for Santner, the rest of the team picks itself I reckon. Plenty of newish faces that the Aussies won't have seen much off, might play into our hands if the series is close.

Apparently 13 years since we last beat Australia in Australia, so probably wise not to be too hopeful. Looking forward to it though, as Boult said on the news tonight it will be a good yardstick of where the NZ team is at.

Feel free to take me to task about Williamson, I would like to be reassured about his genius. Just after so many years, it's been shocking to see him not completely infallible.

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#2959473 25-Aug-2022 18:35

Henry is more likely to play ahead of Southee unless he is still injured. I want to see Sears play at least one match to see how he does in Aus.

I feel like Conway should stick with opening in all formats. I feel like that’s his best position even though in domestic cricket his usual position is at No 3. With the World Cup in India most of the pitches will be spin friendly so we need guys in the middle overs to be able to handle spin so having Williamson, Conway and Latham in those middle overs will be crucial. I wonder who are openers will be in India 2023.

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#2960067 27-Aug-2022 00:10

There must be real concerns about Williamson's ongoing elbow injury.

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#2964276 7-Sep-2022 15:48

Well, that was embarrassing. It almost beggars belief to lose having had Australia 5-40 odd without implying there's been some kind of match-fixing involved. Not that I am suggesting that, but holy heck that was some extraordinarily poor captaincy from Williamson.

To pull Boult out of the attack when they had both feet right on the throat, and when even the most casual of cricket followers knows the white ball goes soft and stops swinging the longer the innings goes .... I just find it impossible to understand. Then to replace him with Satner and Bracewell in some forlorn hope of blocking it up and creating scoreboard pressure when you're only defending 230 and change ....

Perhaps it's time for Williamson to take a leaf out of Root's book, step away from the ODI captaincy and concentrate on the batting in the short-form games. I still think Satner's best days are behind him against top quality opposition, he's a poor man's Vettori. In the current squad I would play Phillips instead, he's going to win you more games than Satner IMHO.

It's going to be hard going for NZ once Boult steps away to concentrate on his franchise cricket this summer, I reckon the Melbourne Stars got a real bargain despite what they paid.

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#2964407 7-Sep-2022 19:54

Yeah, was an absolute shocker !!! - should never had lost from having them down 5-44... also appalling captaincy to take Boult off when he was on fire, it just released all the pressure off them.

Reckon Williamson is a very average captain in all 3 formats... he sits back hoping we get a wicket, instead of trying to be proactive.

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#2964412 7-Sep-2022 20:13

We should have never lost from that position. That was our best chance to win the game and be ahead of the series to have a chance at winning an ODI series in Australia. I don’t expect the Blackcaps to come back and win 2-1, I think losing 3-0 is probably what’s going to happen. I don’t think I can watch any more of this series. That game left a bad taste in my mouth.

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#2964434 7-Sep-2022 21:39

artbloke:

Reckon Williamson is a very average captain in all 3 formats... he sits back hoping we get a wicket, instead of trying to be proactive.

World test champions, runners up in ODIs and T20s. Very average.

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#2964456 8-Sep-2022 06:33

What we lacked was the stand on the throat game plan. Bring Boult back, even bowl him out. Then the second tier bowlers also have easier targets. We were never going to win on run rate

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#2964643 8-Sep-2022 12:33

Handle9:
artbloke:

Reckon Williamson is a very average captain in all 3 formats... he sits back hoping we get a wicket, instead of trying to be proactive.

World test champions, runners up in ODIs and T20s. Very average.

Captaincy Didn't really come into it that much in those tournaments, because we batted & bowled well in pairs, keeping the pressure on, each individual did their jobs really well - this year the team has struggle a lot, especially in test matches, which is the real cricket... when the pressure is really on your team that's when you need your captain to step up & be proactive etc, that is not really in Williamson's mindset.

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