Novak Djokovic's entry to Australia rejected, tennis star to be flown out later today

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#2852045 17-Jan-2022 10:35

TA under fire.

Vaccinated or not, if it was made clear he was not allowed in, no one in their right mind would show up to be humiliated.

I think TA boss will resign at some point.

My other question is how did he get a visa by the federal govt .............. !!

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/australian-open/australian-open-boss-craig-tiley-is-the-real-villain-in-novak-djokovic-mess/news-story/51427437c5dd1384e6b13de41a4366c6

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#2852070 17-Jan-2022 11:41

Good Grief.

"Prime Minister Scott Morrison has left the door open for Novak Djokovic to return to the Australian Open next year despite the tennis star facing an automatic three-year ban from the country."

All this fuss over getting him gone, and now they will consider waiving his three-year ban.

I am unsure how they could have handled this worse. They just need to stop talking now.

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#2852072 17-Jan-2022 11:48

networkn:

Good Grief.

"Prime Minister Scott Morrison has left the door open for Novak Djokovic to return to the Australian Open next year despite the tennis star facing an automatic three-year ban from the country."

All this fuss over getting him gone, and now they will consider waiving his three-year ban.

I am unsure how they could have handled this worse. They just need to stop talking now.

Any questions over next year should be batted back with "Mr Djokovic is welcome to apply for a visa next year and we will examine the application under the conditions that will be applicable at that time."

Boom. Job done.

But then there's an election coming up so......

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#2852127 17-Jan-2022 12:03

huckster:

But then there's an election coming up so......

Well, if they are worried about perception, then how they have handled it till now certainly won't instill any confidence.

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#2852185 17-Jan-2022 12:20

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TA under fire.

Vaccinated or not, if it was made clear he was not allowed in, no one in their right mind would show up to be humiliated.

I think TA boss will resign at some point.

My other question is how did he get a visa by the federal govt .............. !!

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/australian-open/australian-open-boss-craig-tiley-is-the-real-villain-in-novak-djokovic-mess/news-story/51427437c5dd1384e6b13de41a4366c6

Vaccination is not a visa condition, and there were no grounds to refuse his visa prior to issuance. The vaccination status declaration is made as part of a separate document filled in 72 hours prior to travel called the Australia Travel Declaration. This is a requirement of the Biosecurity Act, not the Migration Act (the Migration Act would require an act of parliament to amend it to make vaccination a visa condition, whereas the Biosecurity Act just needs the Health Minister to issue a determination, which is a temporary legislative instrument). Supplying false or incorrect information in the declaration can result in refusal at immigration clearance which results in automatic cancellation of the visa.

I firmly believe Novak should sue Tennis Australia for their role in this mess, as the other player who was deported is in the process of doing. Tiley was told that they wouldn't be allowed in, twice, and then told them they would. Whether that was due to maliciousness or incompetence, they must have at least some liability for the whole situation.

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#2852235 17-Jan-2022 12:24

Ah I see thanks for explaining. So complicated!

Yup I agree he should sue the pants off TA.

HOWEVER ... if he does, TA might counter by demanding proof he actually had covid. something most people find difficult to believe to be true ...

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#2852237 17-Jan-2022 12:27

networkn:

Good Grief.

"Prime Minister Scott Morrison has left the door open for Novak Djokovic to return to the Australian Open next year despite the tennis star facing an automatic three-year ban from the country."

All this fuss over getting him gone, and now they will consider waiving his three-year ban.

I am unsure how they could have handled this worse. They just need to stop talking now.

it's not like he tried to smuggle contraban or planned to work on a tourist visa ... i believe he genuinely believed TA and Vic State did a deal with the federal govt to allow him in. though he did forget that he was in Spain ...

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#2852259 17-Jan-2022 13:42

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it's not like he tried to smuggle contraban or planned to work on a tourist visa ... i believe he genuinely believed TA and Vic State did a deal with the federal govt to allow him in. though he did forget that he was in Spain ...

Ultimately though, it's irrelevant. You're responsible for ensuring information you provide is correct regardless what advice you receive. The information saying that previous infection wasn't a valid reason to not be vaccinated was publicly available, and linked from the declaration - he is a seasoned traveller, and there's a bit more of a duty of care to make sure they're across the entry requirements of a country on his team who do this professionally.

And yeah, that ignores "forgetting" that he'd visited another country.

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#2852275 17-Jan-2022 14:06

And you supposed to go into isolation if positive test...

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#2852279 17-Jan-2022 14:22

That depends on the rules where you test positive, but it's my understanding that the Republic of Serbia does require you to isolate for 14 days if you test positive, regardless of whether you are symptomatic or not.

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#2852280 17-Jan-2022 14:29

Genuine Question:

Is ND actually Anti-Vaxx or Anti Vaxx Mandate? I mean, people make their own choices around health, whether it's agreed on by the majority of people. My nephew is anti THIS vaccination but has all his other ones. He disagrees with the mandate, but he isn't what I'd call generally anti-vaxx.

I don't agree with his stance.

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#2852283 17-Jan-2022 14:42

scuwp: So what would have happened if this occured in NZ?

We'd probably provide some kind of tax credit and subsidies too 😂

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#2852285 17-Jan-2022 14:47

networkn:

Genuine Question:

Is ND actually Anti-Vaxx or Anti Vaxx Mandate? I mean, people make their own choices around health, whether it's agreed on by the majority of people. My nephew is anti THIS vaccination but has all his other ones. He disagrees with the mandate, but he isn't what I'd call generally anti-vaxx.

I don't agree with his stance.

It's kind of unclear. He refuses (up until the interview with Border Force officers) to explicitly say he isn't vaccinated, but he does often make statements that can be implied only to mean that he isn't (e.g. when he said he was travelling to Australia "with exemption" - an unnecessary extra statement that served only to drive home that he wasn't vaccinated, without outright saying it, because if he was vaccinated he wouldn't need an exemption from the requirements to vaccinate). However to be fair to him, I don't think I've ever seen or heard of any instance where he's explicitly told or suggested to anyone else not to vaccinate.

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#2852290 17-Jan-2022 14:59

Kyanar:

However to be fair to him, I don't think I've ever seen or heard of any instance where he's explicitly told or suggested to anyone else not to vaccinate.

Right, me either, so I don't really feel it's fair to categorize him as anti-vaxx. I know a lot of people who are against vaccine mandates even though they themselves have had it. I am not one of those people.

Does make the ministers assertion he would be inciting public unrest of a bit of a stretch.

If the Government hadn't decided to make a hoopla about his visa, he would have been in and out with a minimum of fuss.

I feel this saga isn't over yet. I suspect there will be claiming of costs from one party to another to come.

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#2852335 17-Jan-2022 16:43

networkn:
Genuine Question:

Is ND actually Anti-Vaxx or Anti Vaxx Mandate? I mean, people make their own choices around health, whether it's agreed on by the majority of people. My nephew is anti THIS vaccination but has all his other ones. He disagrees with the mandate, but he isn't what I'd call generally anti-vaxx.

I don't agree with his stance.

In April 2020 he stated he was against vaccination in a Facebook live thing. He backtracked a bit but it seems pretty evident that he’s anti vax. Then there’s the gluten story. That’s worth reading.

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