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Ultimate Geek

#3195808 15-Feb-2024 13:07

Ravindra and Phillips are both very inexperienced bowlers at test level, they're struggling with their line and length at the moment though GP seems to be sorting his radar out after the first over. Unfortunately, I think the lunch break will see him go to the bottom of the heap again in the second session.

TeaLeaf

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Uber Geek

#3195829 15-Feb-2024 14:12

thermonuclear:

Ravindra and Phillips are both very inexperienced bowlers at test level, they're struggling with their line and length at the moment though GP seems to be sorting his radar out after the first over. Unfortunately, I think the lunch break will see him go to the bottom of the heap again in the second session.

Yep, just when he was getting it spot on with only one run off his last two overs, where Ravindra went for about 24 off his final 3. I think Tim over bowled Rachin again, confusing a few very fortuitous wickets thrown away vs bowling batsmen out. Yes it got a wicket, but at what cost, holding O'rourke back and bowling Rachin first thing in the morning with a near new cherry.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of Rachin, but Im just not confident in him with either the ball or bat consistently just yet. Where a guy like O'rourke delivers immediately in his career after being talked up. Rachin might go on to do better things with age as most do.

Same with GP, but I feel GP has a good grasp of his long term ability and works very hard on what isn't working for him. Both chalk and cheese, but if they can both work on their weaknesses, they could be invaluable for future SEA tours where the ball really does turn. Throw the front line spinner in there ie Santner and it could be formidable (not to mention his batting is getting into genuine all rounder levels). Both of them (more so Rachin who bowls fast nearly every delivery) need to learn from Santner, that bowling sub 80kph is where spin bowling really begins to rip through wickets compared to 90kph. Those big loopy sub 80kph deliveries, but with accuracy.

TeaLeaf

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Uber Geek

#3195834 15-Feb-2024 14:19

I dont wanna say I told you so, but immediately Orourke at one end and Wagner at the other delivering short ball theory strikes.

NZ need another couple of quick wickets here.

Edit: Did one of the Sa players or spectators give Wags a bit of lip, Southee calming Wags down after Wags gave the big SHHHH finger.

thermonuclear

605 posts

Ultimate Geek

#3195836 15-Feb-2024 14:21

What are Southee and Wagner arguing about?

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#3195838 15-Feb-2024 14:23

thermonuclear:

What are Southee and Wagner arguing about?

Just edited my post, Im not sure who or what got Wags so upset. I dont think (I hope not) it was Sa players.

Edit: If to believed it was the Sa fans they just asked, giving Wags lip for being Sa' born.

thermonuclear

605 posts

Ultimate Geek

#3195857 15-Feb-2024 14:35

TeaLeaf:

Just edited my post, Im not sure who or what got Wags so upset. I dont think (I hope not) it was Sa players.

That's Wagner's modus operandi though, the more fired up he is, the better he bowls. He's got 260 test wickets at 27, he out-angrys the opposition.

I'm watching the tv and listening to the radio, despite the lack of sync. They are saying that a lead over 200 is where things start to get more difficult for NZ. They are also saying they think, on the basis of the three overs GP got, that he is playing his way out of the test side in favour of Young.

TeaLeaf

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Uber Geek

#3195867 15-Feb-2024 14:53

thermonuclear:

on the basis of the three overs GP got, that he is playing his way out of the test side in favour of Young.

Coney?

That is absurd, he gets 3 overs of which he went for 3rpo and only 1 run in the last two overs. Rachin now back on and immediately spanked for four which is his RPO now after going for 25 off his last couple before lunch. Bedingham looks like he is in full control of what is pretty much the same ole every ball. We are playing into Sa hand with a false sense of security with Rachin.

Rachin needs a HUGE second innings with his avg down around 36 and only once passed 50 (3/4 of his runs in one innings), if he doesnt start delivering consistently, do they give him another 10 tests? and given he showed he can bat time, why is he failing 9/10 innings?

If Young can save this test, if you going to drop Phillips, they could also drop Rachin too and bring Santner back in with Young and Mitchell to hopefully bring in some consistency. Mitchell being the part timer if needed. That would be more traditional. With Conway not delivering much since the WTC, we need to put as many top end batsmen in the line up as possible.

Edit: Bedingham back foot cover drive for four was the shot of the day so far.

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thermonuclear

605 posts

Ultimate Geek

#3195885 15-Feb-2024 15:14

TeaLeaf:

Coney?

It was actually John Bracewell leading that charge, he believes that (on the basis of three overs) that his line only brings the outside edge into play. I think Bracewell's analysis sounds a little like he may have a nephew who is a spin bowler on the fringes of the NZ side. He bowled one rough over and clearly hasn't enjoyed the support of the captain in either test. I seem to recall he did alright in Bangladesh and got a few wickets.

Bedingham is demonstrating there really are few demons in this wicket, particularly when the ball is older. If you're prepared to knuckle down and play good test cricket, there's plenty of runs to be had in this deck. I think anything under 300 is eminently gettable. On current form, you'd have to back Williamson in for yet another century, Latham looked alright in his first dig before he played a dumb shot. Likewise Young. There were a lot of poor shots in the NZ first innings.

GP back on, good move from Southee.

TeaLeaf

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Uber Geek

#3195899 15-Feb-2024 15:30

thermonuclear:

John Bracewell

Bedingham is demonstrating there really are few demons in this wicket, particularly when the ball is older.

and I was a big JB (and Bock) fan back in the 80s hehe. To be fair Michael B can move the ball both ways.

none of the spinners have had any genuine success this innings.

Bedingham is just a pleasure to watch (aside from being in the wrong team).

The problem for the kiwis is not many of them are competent vs spin, and Id expect even more turn tomorrow. Which was always going to be the problem batting last.

Right now, Sa are well ahead of NZ. It doesnt matter who is bowling, they are getting spanked. Where is Matt Henry?

Edit: this field by Tim tells me he doesnt understand the spin, there is almost no protection on the off side so GP is having to bowl straight or down leg side, which just isnt going to produce wickets. Way too easy for Sa.

TeaLeaf

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Uber Geek

#3195927 15-Feb-2024 16:22

This is better for GP with 4 men in close onside but some defense on the offside, he can look for wickets.

I think it will be simply a mental game for NZ tomorrow. It "should" still be a flat track. But, two spinners will be what un does this NZ team.

If they score at 3rpo they should be able to chase down 270. Presuming they can suddenly handle spin bowlers, it shouldnt start turning sharp with up down bounce until day 5, so potentially I think 350 is a possibility, even if its 150 more than the highest winning chase at Seddon.

IMO Henry was the answer at 0.55rpo vs circa 4rpo for everybody else.

But what a batsman Bedingham, bloody mindedness not fitting him into prior Sa teams imo. Deserves a ton here.

Edit: GP now shutting the run rate down. Just hope Rachin can too. But neither look likely now the grass is gone.

edit: and now here comes Tezza, get these two out, Bowl GP to the lefty, who knows, we could win by tomorrow.

thermonuclear

605 posts

Ultimate Geek

#3195933 15-Feb-2024 16:32

Radio have started discussing "succession planning" after a listener emailed in and suggested is it time for changes. The comments were made that the selectors are incredibly loyal to their sides and is this a good thing in some circumstances? They also said that "NZ's best players don't become the best players by not being selected". A bit Irish but I can see what they are saying.

Another question about whether Boult should be selected against Australia if he makes himself available for the tests, the consensus there seemed to be no.

Bracewell has done a bit of a back-track on GP now that he's got better fields to support him.

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#3195935 15-Feb-2024 16:35

TeaLeaf:

Edit: GP now shutting the run rate down. Just hope Rachin can too. But neither look likely now the grass is gone.

edit: and now here comes Tezza, get these two out, Bowl GP to the lefty, who knows, we could win by tomorrow.

bahaha, ima Nostril-damus.

You just cant keep GP out of the game, the same as the first wicket GP pulls off another catch of the year highlights reel at Gully. and that is why he is in the team, he is a match winner.

Edit: now the lefty is in, is the time to bowl GP. and just let him catch us to victory while not bowling.

Henry owes GP a night out on the town with those two speccy catches for his wickets. Certain 4s converted into wickets.

Edit: finally Tim gets GPs field right too, runs will dry up and it gives GP a chance at wickets. agggggh Williamson misses one, hard one at pace but that is what he is there for.

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#3195937 15-Feb-2024 16:44

Sensational Bedingham, standing up for his country, without him, they lose. Well deserved ton, now please get out. ;-)

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#3195958 15-Feb-2024 16:59

TeaLeaf:

Edit: now the lefty is in, is the time to bowl GP. and just let him catch us to victory while not bowling.

and Nostril damus is at it again, if only Tim listened to me first innings with GP we maybe chasing 50-100 less.

time for O'rourke to finish the mid-tail off I feel.

add 30 runs a match to GPs batting avg with his fielding. He is just a freak athlete.

TeaLeaf

6325 posts

Uber Geek

#3195959 15-Feb-2024 17:04

TeaLeaf:

and Nostril damus is at it again, if only Tim listened to me first innings with GP we maybe chasing 50-100 less.

time for O'rourke to finish the mid-tail off I feel.

add 30 runs a match to GPs batting avg with his fielding. He is just a freak athlete.

and yet again my Nostrils flaring, bowled O'rourke, caught again by GP. Yeh, I got no idea what Im talking about. ;-p

this young man O'rourke is having a blinder start to test cricket.

Edit: no Elliot you clown, GP hasnt found a method, his Captain has found a method on how to field to his type of bowling.

When GP chucks it up wide and full seems to bouncing substantially. That might be the spot now he has Tim backing him up.

Lol Rigga chastising Elliots commentary.

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