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#3246893 10-Jun-2024 12:08

JPNZ:
When the crash first happened Lando was past the pit lane entry so had to do a second lap whilst MV, Both mercs and Oscar went in and made a change. Then the SC picked up Lando and slowed him down whilst Max was able to close the pit delta and then when Lando did pit Max had the time advantage and track position.

Ah i see.

Very strange for a leader to lose the lead from the SC when both P1 and P2 pit, it's not right and don't recall it ever happening. But i don't see anyone else complaining so maybe there's nothing wrong there.

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#3246900 10-Jun-2024 12:43

Was he actually past the pit entry? I thought i caught some chat about the team had the chance to pull him in but gambled on whether there would be a SC.

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#3246977 10-Jun-2024 13:24

Bung: Was he actually past the pit entry? I thought i caught some chat about the team had the chance to pull him in but gambled on whether there would be a SC.

I thought he was past the pit entry once the SC was brought out but maybe they where unsure at the point they could have pitted? would be an odd decision to not bring him in if he had the chance, even with VCS, given the rain was going to come and they needed new inters anyway.

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#3247007 10-Jun-2024 14:50

Would need to watch it back with timing but yeah should have been an instant in to pits at the time, so either comes down to fluffed the opportunity or was already past the pit entry when the call was made.

Russell really does have a habit of losing it under pressure. The number of straight overruns of corners during pressure moments isn't great. He went off twice this race.

Perez, oh man what have they done there. Best be hoping there is a performance clause in there as that guy is galaxies away from his team mate. Out in Q1 of qualifying and the team mate sticks it on equal pole and wins the race.

Takeaway though, what an awesome breath of fresh air this season is turning into with McLaren legitimately able to hold P2 regularly, and Merc and Ferrari playing for 2-4 also. Much much better than it's been for quite some time now.

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#3247012 10-Jun-2024 15:18

Jaxson:

Perez, oh man what have they done there. Best be hoping there is a performance clause in there as that guy is galaxies away from his team mate. Out in Q1 of qualifying and the team mate sticks it on equal pole and wins the race.

Takeaway though, what an awesome breath of fresh air this season is turning into with McLaren legitimately able to hold P2 regularly, and Merc and Ferrari playing for 2-4 also. Much much better than it's been for quite some time now.

With Perez it's all about the sponsorship in the opinion's of most non-Mexican people. And, with McLaren and Ferrari hot on the heels of Red Bull now, it would be great to see one of them get up and capture the Constructors this season.

It was mentioned during commentary that Checo's deal is a 1+1 with out clauses on both sides. Still, if it's all about the money for Red Bull, why would they activate the get-out even if he continues to drive so poorly.

Lawson got some screen time on F1TV, briefly interviewed by Barretto. Got asked when he's getting a race seat and came back with the diplomatic reply. It's going to be a real shame if Antonelli, Bearman, Doohan all get a call-up as is seeming increasingly likely, and Lawson is overlooked again. I reckon he would have been odds-on to jump into the Williams seat had they not now been courting Sainz to join them. I really wonder if he had an offer to take Sargeant's seat at the end of last year and turned it down in favour of keeping faith with Red Bull doing right by him.

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#3247013 10-Jun-2024 15:23

Yeah Lawson is an ideal standby. He's proven he can make the car work on short notice, so perfect to have just hanging around in case he's needed. Might pick up the odd race from someone ill or injured for any reason. It's been several seasons now, and that may well actually be the extent of his exposure in F1.

Perez money to be milked until such time as he actually needs to perform to secure the constructors. If McLaren and Ferrari and Mercedes are fighting over P2-4 regularly then Redbull can do it alone in P1, butt if one of them keeps getting P2 and P3 together consistently, then RedBull have an actual problem.

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#3247216 11-Jun-2024 08:34

Jaxson:

Would need to watch it back with timing but yeah should have been an instant in to pits at the time, so either comes down to fluffed the opportunity or was already past the pit entry when the call was made.

Russell really does have a habit of losing it under pressure. The number of straight overruns of corners during pressure moments isn't great. He went off twice this race.

Perez, oh man what have they done there. Best be hoping there is a performance clause in there as that guy is galaxies away from his team mate. Out in Q1 of qualifying and the team mate sticks it on equal pole and wins the race.

Takeaway though, what an awesome breath of fresh air this season is turning into with McLaren legitimately able to hold P2 regularly, and Merc and Ferrari playing for 2-4 also. Much much better than it's been for quite some time now.

Yes, its great that we dont really know who will win

RBR hasn't gone backwards the others have gone forwards

McLaren is genuine, every race they perform

Mercedes, lots of pre event hype that fails to deliver but their new flexi front wing had them in great shape all weekend, that will continue

Ferrari, are they very track specific now??

Perez....................

It means that the driver and strategy are now key

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#3247217 11-Jun-2024 08:38

Jaxson:

Perez money to be milked until such time as he actually needs to perform to secure the constructors. If McLaren and Ferrari and Mercedes are fighting over P2-4 regularly then Redbull can do it alone in P1, butt if one of them keeps getting P2 and P3 together consistently, then RedBull have an actual problem.

I'll say. Any race that Max doesn't get pole he is exposed to 2 or 3 teams that run in pairs to play the strategy game

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#3247251 11-Jun-2024 09:32

Great race! Edge of my seat for most of it. Great that there is some genuine jeopardy about who will win/do well and contests all the way down the field!

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#3247570 11-Jun-2024 17:41

JPNZ:

When the crash first happened Lando was past the pit lane entry so had to do a second lap whilst MV, Both mercs and Oscar went in and made a change. Then the SC picked up Lando and slowed him down whilst Max was able to close the pit delta and then when Lando did pit Max had the time advantage and track position.

well i checked now and watched the replay of the everything on F1TV

it turns out that Lando had about 1s to react because he was not past the pit entry, in fact the SC sign came out 100m from the pit entry and he was able to see the SC sign flashing.

it wasn't actually that, when Lando was driving around there was a yellow flag and MacLaren asked him if he wanted to come in if it turned in to a SC. they specifically told him Lando has crashed and is facing the wrong way. he had nearly an entire lap to thing about it even though the first time he saw the SC sign was around 100m before the pit entry.

wasn't the SC's fault, it was MacLaren's fault for not being decisive. RB or Merc (when they were good) would have pitted even with a half a lap discussion.

anyway, hope MacLaren is not learning from Ferrari.

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#3247726 12-Jun-2024 07:37

Batman:

JPNZ:

When the crash first happened Lando was past the pit lane entry so had to do a second lap whilst MV, Both mercs and Oscar went in and made a change. Then the SC picked up Lando and slowed him down whilst Max was able to close the pit delta and then when Lando did pit Max had the time advantage and track position.

well i checked now and watched the replay of the everything on F1TV

it turns out that Lando had about 1s to react because he was not past the pit entry, in fact the SC sign came out 100m from the pit entry and he was able to see the SC sign flashing.

it wasn't actually that, when Lando was driving around there was a yellow flag and MacLaren asked him if he wanted to come in if it turned in to a SC. they specifically told him Lando has crashed and is facing the wrong way. he had nearly an entire lap to thing about it even though the first time he saw the SC sign was around 100m before the pit entry.

wasn't the SC's fault, it was MacLaren's fault for not being decisive. RB or Merc (when they were good) would have pitted even with a half a lap discussion.

anyway, hope MacLaren is not learning from Ferrari.

I think I read on F1.com that it came out 300m before the pit entrance. When I watched the race it was easier to pit than take the bend, so it was clearly easy.

Indecisive, yes.

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#3247775 12-Jun-2024 11:23

Perez handed a 3 place grid penalty and RBR fined after they admitted they told Perez to drive back to the pits with his badly damaged wing. It would have resulted in a SC that may have affected Max's race.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/breaking-sergio-perez-hit-with-three-place-grid-penalty-for-spanish-grand-prix.2ycUjoFDlzLcjBrCSuVgAX

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#3247777 12-Jun-2024 11:31

I do wonder if McLaren were holding out hope for a Red flag instead of a safety car - the Sky commentators did speculate that it may go to Red. If that had happened, Lando would have effectively had a free pit stop and the team would have looked like heroes!

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#3247783 12-Jun-2024 11:46

My gut feel whenever I see something like that is pit, get it done. The number of times we see McLaren hang out for an extra lap and risk being tied up in the safety car is painful.

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#3247846 12-Jun-2024 12:40

JPNZ:

Perez handed a 3 place grid penalty and RBR fined after they admitted they told Perez to drive back to the pits with his badly damaged wing. It would have resulted in a SC that may have affected Max's race.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/breaking-sergio-perez-hit-with-three-place-grid-penalty-for-spanish-grand-prix.2ycUjoFDlzLcjBrCSuVgAX

He must sell Red Bull drinks by the absolute container load in Mexico is all I can say. On recent form he'll qualify poorly, get dropped even lower than that with the penalty, then set about using his car as a bulldozer in the race as he tries desperately and dangerously to work his way up the field.

Perhaps this is a ploy by Horner to distract attention off him by having Perez play demolition derby every weekend.

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