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#3262667 22-Jul-2024 10:45

nzkc:

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Yuki made the points, Dan did not.

Whilst pretty anonymous throughout the race I thought Yuki did pretty amazing for a 1 stop strategy.

Yet another (relative) failure from Ricciardo too.

To be honest, not to just defend Ricciardo here. I think if anything it was a team failure more than a Daniel failure.
The pit stop strat is realistically what failed him here. His average speed, and lap times were significantly faster than Yuki. For example, Yuki placed (pace wise) in 18th vs Daniels 12th. Daniel had an average speed of 190.84kph vs Yukis 188.80
They started him on the softs then had to pit after 3 laps. I'm unsure what caused such an early pit, maybe daniel flat spotted the tyres?

The time in pits alone was 21.46s (Yuki) vs 42.46s (Daniel).

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#3262684 22-Jul-2024 11:16

McLaren screwed Lando.

If they pitted Oscar first then Lando, as you'd normally would then Lando would overtake Oscar as he was faster in the 3rd tyre setting.

Now he's lost points on Max. Dumb.

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#3262689 22-Jul-2024 11:24

nzkc:
Whilst pretty anonymous throughout the race I thought Yuki did pretty amazing for a 1 stop strategy.

Yet another (relative) failure from Ricciardo too.

I see a lot of comments about Yuki the tyre whisperer as if no other drivers did the same stint on hard tyres. Ricciardo not happy that the team pitted him unnecessarily for an early tyre change that stuck him back in traffic.

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#3262691 22-Jul-2024 11:37

Dairusire: To be honest, not to just defend Ricciardo here. I think if anything it was a team failure more than a Daniel failure.

They started him on the softs then had to pit after 3 laps. I'm unsure what caused such an early pit, maybe daniel flat spotted the tyres?

The time in pits alone was 21.46s (Yuki) vs 42.46s (Daniel).

Ricciardo was on mediums expecting the cars ahead of him on softs to have to pull in leaving some clear space. Instead the team pulled him in as well.

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#3262706 22-Jul-2024 12:07

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JPNZ:

Wow that was a great race. See how Max behaves when the pressure is on. Its great to see

Lol. He needs to learn he doesn't have the best car anymore. As regards behaviour I thought Lando was piss poor. Made Max look like a saint. Whining and whining about giving the place back. Ignored him on the podium pretty much. Took the shine of a well deserved win. Lets see how he goes from here with a team mate that has grown in leaps and bounds. And I like Lando and Oscar, as people and drivers. Piss poor

Could not agree more with all of this, it was as a great race to watch for any number of reasons. I support Lando more than any other driver on the grid but his attitude overnight was childish, really disappointed in how he conducted himself during the race and post-race. McLaren had clearly set out the rules of engagement prior to lights-out, to be carrying on like a pork chop on the radio with the "I'm not gonna", "don't wanna" stuff was cringey to listen to and reflected really poorly.

Then to be acting like it was a non-event afterwards, really disrespectful to Piastri and the team generally. Enjoyed Oscar's non-celebratory celebration on the radio after, like he'd done no more than mowed the lawn after being asked to do so. Hard to believe he's actually Australian, the most laid back sportsman I've ever seen from that country.

Speaking of childish, great call from JP to call out Verstappen on his attitude today. Can't help but be reminded that this is frequently put up as a reason why Tsunoda is unsuitable for the main team. That Yuki's abusive radio communication indicates a lack of maturity. Got nothing on Max's continual outbursts on the radio, and then to carry it on after the race telling his critics they can "F-off". Makes it plain to see that there's one set of rules for Max and another for everyone else in the team.

Then there's the suggestion Verstappen was up half the night prior playing computer games. Unbelievable if true, just taking the mickey.

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#3262761 22-Jul-2024 12:26

Not sure where I stand on the Ricciardo situation. In hindsight it was a poor call to pit him after seven laps when he was on mediums and they had plenty of life in them left to give. Trying to cover off the stops by the runners around him I suppose but it did seem a strange call at the time.

Ricciardo has to shoulder some of the blame going around though in my opinion. He's supposedly in the team for his wealth of experience amongst other things, he should have countermanded the call from the pit wall and stayed out if he believed that was the better strategy. Again, I am reminded of Sainz on the radio last year telling his engineers that the strategy wasn't right and to try again.

There's been a bit of talk elsewhere that Daniel was "clearly the quicker driver" this weekend. However, pretty easy to say that while conveniently ignoring that fact that Tsunoda was driving to conserve his tyres on the back of a one-stop strategy. Was a great call from the pit wall to go that route with Yuki, all the more puzzling they didn't do the same with Ricciardo. Maybe they wanted to run split strategies to cover their bases but still, hard to fathom in hindsight.

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#3262775 22-Jul-2024 12:52

Ricciardo said the call to pit came too close to pits for a discussion. I don't see a great call for Yuki as being whatever is the opposite of the dumb call you give your other driver.

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#3262834 22-Jul-2024 13:31

thermonuclear:

Then there's the suggestion Verstappen was up half the night prior playing computer games. Unbelievable if true, just taking the mickey.

it's not a suggestion, he was doing a 24hr Spa race with his team and he finished his stint at around 4am track time

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#3262960 22-Jul-2024 16:42

Batman:
it's not a suggestion, he was doing a 24hr Spa race with his team and he finished his stint at around 4am track time

He knew this race was not worth his effort...like how he abandoned qualifying..

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#3263116 22-Jul-2024 19:37

He knew this race was not worth his effort...like how he abandoned qualifying..

They ALL abandoned qualifying for obvious reasons.

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#3263118 22-Jul-2024 19:42

Watched Chequered Flag tonite, good to see the calmed down drivers comment on the race.

I take it no penalty for Max with the crash? I saw it all his fault live but on replay Lewis moved over quite a bit and well before the turn, so its both drivers fault. Lewis moved, Max was too hot.

End of the day its close tight racing, not the team order processions of yesteryear, nor the fisticuffs or close to it of yesteryear

Im picking Sergio is dumped after Spa

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#3263239 22-Jul-2024 21:53

Sergio who?

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#3263392 23-Jul-2024 11:14

tdgeek:

I take it no penalty for Max with the crash?

Im picking Sergio is dumped after Spa

It was seen as a racing incident by the stewards, Verstappen got lucky in that decision I think. Now that he is struggling in the RB20, some of his driving has become a little desperate in close quarter racing. He was fortunate not to take himself out of the race altogether. I thought Lewis was generous not to make more of it.

I think Perez will probably survive. He drove well to finish in seventh when Max could only manage fifth from a far better grid position. I can't see any of the suggested candidates doing a lot better when even the champion lead driver is not performing up to previous standards in this current iteration of the car.

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#3263811 24-Jul-2024 00:33

Binotto has been appointed to head up Audi's F1 project with Andreas Seidl being given the "DCM" from another team it seems. I quite like this move as a future Audi supporter, I thought Binotto got a rough deal from Ferrari. Sure, the buck stopped with him but that team is always a bit of a basket case.

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#3264647 26-Jul-2024 12:14

Another RB circuit this weekend before the break...will probably turn to another McLaren win looking at how they are going

No way Ferrari in the mix, but Mercedes seems to be able to pull it off if they can get everything right...

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