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Jaxson

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  #3266613 31-Jul-2024 14:14
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Lando needs to sort those starts, he's absolutely throwing it all away in those first 200m or so to turn 1.
Oscar is loving it.

 

 

 

Lawson runs the risk of having been reserve driver for too long and new talent coming through.  Red Bull look to have secured him mostly so he can't go anywhere else. It's been many years of this.  Even if he's free at the end of the year there still needs to be another team willing to take him on.

To his credit he's done all he can do and carried himself well when the opportunities to show himself off have presented themselves, but in this sport timing is everything.  It's like the boomer logic of stay in a job and they'll promote you regularly, which can only actually happen when someone up above leaves, and even then it's not guaranteed.

Has been a real season of swings in form.  Mercedes are looking really good now, like they're understanding their car better.  McLaren I fear have been caught up and you have to say have not actually maximised their early opportunities as best they could with that car and their general level of strategy skill.  Will be interesting to see how they all fare after the break and what the new settling order is.

Hamilton, dude bad time to leave Mercedes.  Hindsight is a wonderful thing though, but heading to Ferrari for a few years when it was clear Mercedes had missed the boat on the new regs would have been a smarter move.  Now the regs are slowing and teams are levelling out, Mercedes is looking much better than Ferrari.  And on that note I rate Sainz over LeClerc now to be honest, with LeClerc better over a single lap but Sainz contributing more to the team and strategy over the race.




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  #3266621 31-Jul-2024 14:37
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I see RBR have confirmed same driver line up after the Summer break. That they feel the need to conform that is news in itself.

 

Maybe that's to cool the media?  As Ted rightly said when the media get bagged for all the Sergio reporting, we just report the news, Its a Sergio issue 


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  #3266626 31-Jul-2024 14:53
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Isn't there a test in the 2022 car at Monza with Lawson and Ricciardo?
Some report the issue being Marko wanted Lawson and Horner wanted Ricciardo. If they'd agreed on the replacement it would have happened. Plan B is still active.



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  #3266628 31-Jul-2024 15:10
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Jaxson:

 

Lawson runs the risk of having been reserve driver for too long and new talent coming through.  Red Bull look to have secured him mostly so he can't go anywhere else. It's been many years of this.  Even if he's free at the end of the year there still needs to be another team willing to take him on.

To his credit he's done all he can do and carried himself well when the opportunities to show himself off have presented themselves, but in this sport timing is everything.

 

This is all very true, Lawson isn't free of his current commitment with Red Bull until September by which time you'd think the 2025 grid will be well and truely secured. He has Iwasa, Hadjar and the supposed generational talent Lindblad, all getting in line behind him. If Liam does get a drive it feels like it will be more luck than logic now that does it for him.

 

His major ally within Red Bull, Marko, seems to be less influential than ever. He appears to favour the removal of Perez and Ricciardo, both of which he hasn't been able to achieve despite being quite vocal about it. From what I've read it also appears if given a choice, he'd prefer Iwasa and Hadjar over Lawson anyway if a spot were to open up.

 

The Race have done an interesting review of goings-on at Red Bull post the Perez decision. They believe the stay of execution on Checo is only until after Singapore when there is another three week break in the season. Four more races, two of which the Mexican has won, to regain his form. This would line up with the announcement on Ricciardo retaining his VCARB seat after the break but still not being offered a contract. They want to see more from both their senior drivers (and probably what Hadjar and Iwasa are doing with their respective drives) before finally pulling the trigger on who goes where.

 

All of which leaves Lawson in a jam. He's been loyal to Red Bull to a fault. Perhaps he really does have a back-up plan with Sauber/Audi as has been widely reported but how solid that might be as an option now that Binotto has come in, you have to wonder. With the latest rumour that they are now looking at Bottas with Sainz heading to Williams, I don't think Liam wins that battle. Still, no one seems to want to go to Sauber.

 

The testing in the 2022 AT at Monza tomorrow is reported to involve Liam, Ricciardo and Iwasa now. Is this a further indication that they are still not sure about Ricciardo or is he just there to provide a benchmark to the other two. Either way Lawson will have impress over the others to keep his Red Bull dream alive. If he is lightning quick, I'd be emailing those results across to Sauber just in case.


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  #3267216 1-Aug-2024 15:54
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Wow... Carlos going to Williams... Hopefully there is something up the team's sleeve that they can challenge for wins when the new 2026 regulations come...

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Jvipers2: Wow... Carlos going to Williams... Hopefully there is something up the team's sleeve that they can challenge for wins when the new 2026 regulations come...


Or is he there with a lead into Audi or Renault later etc?


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  #3267263 1-Aug-2024 18:14
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Bung: Isn't there a test in the 2022 car at Monza with Lawson and Ricciardo?
Some report the issue being Marko wanted Lawson and Horner wanted Ricciardo. If they'd agreed on the replacement it would have happened. Plan B is still active.

 

you guys haven't read?

 

apparently RB told the Verstappen family after the Belgian GP that Max will have a new team mate in Zandvoort and they would finalize that in a meeting at Milton Keynes on Monday

 

however on Monday Liberty Media (aka FIA) told RB not to replace Perez as they would lose a lot of money at the Mexican GP, and RB complied

 

you can't make this stuff up. (or maybe you can)


 
 
 

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Batman:

 

you guys haven't read?

 

apparently RB told the Verstappen family after the Belgian GP that Max will have a new team mate in Zandvoort and they would finalize that in a meeting at Milton Keynes on Monday

 

however on Monday Liberty Media (aka FIA) told RB not to replace Perez as they would lose a lot of money at the Mexican GP, and RB complied

 

you can't make this stuff up. (or maybe you can)

 

 

I've read it, I just don't believe it for a second.

 

Liberty Media own the commercial rights to F1 and sell local rights to individual venues to hold Grands Prix. Liberty hold the TV rights and the major on-site advertising on top of that. Much like FIFA or the IOC, they are awarding Grands Prix to each venue and the venue assumes all the financial risk for a race not making money if spectators don't turn up.

 

I'm not sure that Liberty care too much whether disgruntled Checo fans boycott the Mexican GP, they will be getting their broadcast and advertising revenue regardless. It's the people who have bought the local rights to stage the Mexican GP that have most to lose because their major revenue stream is the ticket sales and vendor concessions they sell. At the moment Liberty have plenty of venues lining up to stage a Grand Prix if Mexico falls over.

 

Perhaps it won't look the greatest on TV if there are a few empty stands but it would hardly be the only venue in that boat and, at the end of the day, Liberty have already banked their cheque. That's why we've ended up at so many of these soulless venues around the world nowadays. Forgettable tracks, no history in the sport, just really deep pockets to pay Liberty whatever they want for the right to host an event.

 

Still think the likely scenario is that Checo's being given another four races to rediscover his form, likewise with Ricciardo another four races to show a continuation of improved form. If both deliver, Checo stays and Ricciardo gets a 2025 contract. Checo fails, Ricciardo keeps being on the pace, he moves up and Lawson gets his seat. Both fail, two of Lawson, Hadjar and Iwasa get 2025 race seats, the old guys get pension cheques.


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  #3273861 20-Aug-2024 13:14
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I've read several places that the deadline for Lawson to be offered a race seat by Red Bull is supposed to be Sept 1st and not the end of the month. If correct, that has the potential to be a big problem for Red Bull as it's only one more race weekend away and they appear to want to sit and wait longer than that to see how things shake out with Perez and Ricciardo before making a final decision.

 

Perhaps Lawson will be prepared to keep quiet and wait a while longer as he may not have many or any options to go elsewhere on the grid. Maybe he's already signed a deal for next year which requires him to keep quiet so that the relative peace is kept within the organisation while they see out this season.

 

Despite what Barretto is thinking with his various options, it may be that Red Bull's hand is forced if Lawson requires an immediate answer and/or doesn't go quietly if he doesn't get what he wants.

 

 


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  #3273897 20-Aug-2024 15:02
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Hard to play out when you're in the mix of it, but Lawson has played their game for long enough now, forever waiting on the sidelines.

I read somewhere they're looking to have VCARB be the fun team again, which would suggest Ricciardo to stay there.

I always expected to see Ricciardo to Red Bull in the Perez spot, regardless of form, as he gets on well with Max.
Then Lawson into VCARB.

Yuki to replace Alonso I reckon... with the Honda link there.


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thermonuclear:

 

Despite what Barretto is thinking with his various options, it may be that Red Bull's hand is forced if Lawson requires an immediate answer and/or doesn't go quietly if he doesn't get what he wants.

 

 

I'm convinced that Audi still having an open seat and Lawson potentially becoming a free agent are not unrelated. 


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  #3273931 20-Aug-2024 16:06
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Danny Ricc   getting older, seems years since he was in form. He left back then as he was No.2 driver IMO, will they send him back to be No.2 driver?? He wants that as at his stage of his career, a well paid drive in a good car, works for him 

 

Sergio         getting older, seems years since he was in form

 

RBR            Happy to dump drivers in order to push forward, until now

 

RBR            Will lose Constructors as the main competitor, McLaren has two key point scorers. Can't recall the numbers but points scored in the last few races, they are well ahead

 

Max            Gets on well with Sergio, who is the No.2 driver

 

Liam           Will be a perfect No.2 driver, opportunity to be part of RBR future


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  #3273936 20-Aug-2024 16:15
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The TAB odds for this weekend. As expected the teams run in pairs. Almost

 

 

 

 


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