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thermonuclear
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  #3278250 2-Sep-2024 13:42
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Awesome race, well done to Ferrari and particularly Leclerc to manage those tyres. You can't begrudge the passionate Italian fans a win on home soil ever.

 

Red Bull continue on the express elevator down, I thought it was impossible for Verstappen to lose this year's WDC from where he is, now I'm not so sure. I think everyone acknowledges the Honda PU is powerful, it just shows how important the aero is overall and how fine margins can make such a huge difference. The car used to look on rails, now it barely wants to turn. Not good for a driver who likes a pointy front end.

 

And McLaren, yeah. All very well Brown saying he's got "two No1 drivers" and that they're "free to race", makes him sound like a benevolent boss. But, this is F1 and giving the drivers an equal chance is going to impact McLaren's chances of winning. Maybe Brown has already decided the WDC is a bridge too far and they just want to amass points towards the WCC. Easier than having a difficult conversation with Piastri I suppose.

 

Lawson Watch - not sure his case was helped by Perez, Ricciardo or Tsunoda over the weekend. Yuki couldn't get the upgrades to perform as the sim suggested they would. Ricciardo had a forgettable race and indirectly contributed to his teammate's DNF. The VCARB looked slow though. Checo finished within two spots of Max in a crappy car. Probably makes it harder to dump him if he's not getting shown up by Verstappen so obviously.

 

Colapinto did alright on his first outing, something to build on. Antonelli going to be Sargeant 2.0? A bit tongue in cheek I know, but I hope Mercedes are right about the kid. Same goes for Bearman and Doohan, going to be really interesting next year to see if they can all step up. Rather see that though than some of the journeymen we have now. Magnussen got his deserved race ban. Maybe unlucky on the incident at Monza but he's been a menace at times earlier in the season, things have ultimately evened out with the correct result.




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  #3278262 2-Sep-2024 14:20
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Magnussen banned for Azerbaijan Grand Prix after being penalised for Gasly clash in Monza.

 

Whos gonna get his seat? Oliver Bearman?

 

isn't he the official reserve driver (not to mention he has the Kevin's seat next year) 


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  #3278271 2-Sep-2024 14:57
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thermonuclear:

 

Awesome race, well done to Ferrari and particularly Leclerc to manage those tyres. You can't begrudge the passionate Italian fans a win on home soil ever.

 

Red Bull continue on the express elevator down, I thought it was impossible for Verstappen to lose this year's WDC from where he is, now I'm not so sure. I think everyone acknowledges the Honda PU is powerful, it just shows how important the aero is overall and how fine margins can make such a huge difference. The car used to look on rails, now it barely wants to turn. Not good for a driver who likes a pointy front end.

 

And McLaren, yeah. All very well Brown saying he's got "two No1 drivers" and that they're "free to race", makes him sound like a benevolent boss. But, this is F1 and giving the drivers an equal chance is going to impact McLaren's chances of winning. Maybe Brown has already decided the WDC is a bridge too far and they just want to amass points towards the WCC. Easier than having a difficult conversation with Piastri I suppose.

 

Lawson Watch - not sure his case was helped by Perez, Ricciardo or Tsunoda over the weekend. Yuki couldn't get the upgrades to perform as the sim suggested they would. Ricciardo had a forgettable race and indirectly contributed to his teammate's DNF. The VCARB looked slow though. Checo finished within two spots of Max in a crappy car. Probably makes it harder to dump him if he's not getting shown up by Verstappen so obviously.

 

Colapinto did alright on his first outing, something to build on. Antonelli going to be Sargeant 2.0? A bit tongue in cheek I know, but I hope Mercedes are right about the kid. Same goes for Bearman and Doohan, going to be really interesting next year to see if they can all step up. Rather see that though than some of the journeymen we have now. Magnussen got his deserved race ban. Maybe unlucky on the incident at Monza but he's been a menace at times earlier in the season, things have ultimately evened out with the correct result.

 

 

Checo. Battles to finish 8th with a car that Max was running away every race. Now he finishes 8th when the car is rubbish lol. I guess that means he can beat slow cars

 

RBR, hard to know what going on. Maybe their car wasn't that good, just that they optimised if far quicker than anyone else? So they can't get a grip on the tyres it seems. If thats the case in quali and FP it wasnt too bad, if you allow 3/10 or so for that problem. In the race Max's car was turned down for some engine issue. In any case they are a clear 4th team now, unless they can get some recovery

 

Antonelli, I dunno.  




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  #3278287 2-Sep-2024 16:19
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Hungary yeah, team stuffed up but if Norris was smarter he would have given that place back, then tried to take it back again.

Norris vs Oscar pass this morning was a different aspect though, and shows the two aren't on the same page.
Another classic if Norris doesn't give space they'll crash situation, and Norris lost a lot of time going out of his way to avoid an incident with a teammate, which then saw Charles come between them and restricted strategy options.

I think McLaren have been caught out by their performance advantage and don't have the mindset to achieve a drivers championship.  They're on track, or maybe as a fight vs Ferrari for the constructors, but with some better handling they could be taking the fight to Max.


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  #3278291 2-Sep-2024 16:26
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Jaxson:

 

Hungary yeah, team stuffed up but if Norris was smarter he would have given that place back, then tried to take it back again.

Norris vs Oscar pass this morning was a different aspect though, and shows the two aren't on the same page.
Another classic if Norris doesn't give space they'll crash situation, and Norris lost a lot of time going out of his way to avoid an incident with a teammate, which then saw Charles come between them and restricted strategy options.

I think McLaren have been caught out by their performance advantage and don't have the mindset to achieve a drivers championship.  They're on track, or maybe as a fight vs Ferrari for the constructors, but with some better handling they could be taking the fight to Max.

 

 

I get that, but its scripting the title. When Oscar rolls over every race, and if Lando got the Drivers, its not really a true and earned title IMHO. Possibly if Ferrari shine in Baku, the focus needs to be on the Constructors, which a few days ago was a slam dunk, if Ferrari have made a solid jump, they are in that title race as well. 


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  #3278339 2-Sep-2024 16:33
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tdgeek:

 

I get that, but its scripting the title. When Oscar rolls over every race, and if Lando got the Drivers, its not really a true and earned title IMHO. 

 



I get it, just I think this has been blurred/a non event situation in recent times by Max being the clear number one driver in their team with a highly dominant car, and not needing deal with a competition situation.
In the past though when it has been close within a team we have seen it come through, allowing the drivers to race for the first 1/3 of the season for example and then picking a horse to back at that point etc.




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  #3278387 2-Sep-2024 20:45
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Jaxson:

 

tdgeek:

 

I get that, but its scripting the title. When Oscar rolls over every race, and if Lando got the Drivers, its not really a true and earned title IMHO. 

 



I get it, just I think this has been blurred/a non event situation in recent times by Max being the clear number one driver in their team with a highly dominant car, and not needing deal with a competition situation.
In the past though when it has been close within a team we have seen it come through, allowing the drivers to race for the first 1/3 of the season for example and then picking a horse to back at that point etc.


 

 

Yes I agree. Its the strangest period in F1 I can remember. In the Schummy days I often fell asleep (although I watched it live) In the Lewis days it was equally as boring as it was totally predictable. Ups to Rosberg for pushing past that. Max, same deal, totally predictable.

 

Disclosure. Ive been a McLaren fan since the DC/Mika days, still am. Red Bull? When Webber was there I thought it was awesome. Barely midfield in the speed traps, yet they won 4 titles. 

 

Max/RBR in the recent years, well, he and they deserved it, pure and simple. 

 

Unlike the past examples, Lando and Oscar are both young and both quick. They each have their foibles, but its a pairing for years, hopefully. 

 

Im still on the fence re the 2 titles. Constructors is already over, RBR have no show. Ferrari could now be in it, they are not far off.

 

Drivers, Lando needs to win every race, and get fastest lap, with Max 2nd. Well, Max wont be running 2nd every race, unless they sort out the tyre issue. But Lando, while awesome, is not without his niggles.His team mate is maturing. Ferrari may be on the strong up and up. Mercedes, they could have a race where its just average, then be right there. So many variables. While Im still scratching my head over RBR, end of the day there are 3 teams that are close. If RBR can find out (as McLaren, Mercedes, and Ferrari have done) that makes 4 that could be within 2/10 in quali. Its a great period when there are more than 1 or 2 cars on the limelight.

 

My hope for 2024 is Max holds on to Drivers. He is exceptional, gets more out of the car than the car can deliver. McLaren easily win Constructors. Fan aside, they went from literally rubbish to top of the pack, that is HUGE in todays hi tech F1. Bigger than huge actually, when there are such tight margins, what they have done is  unreal.

 

 


 
 
 

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  #3278579 3-Sep-2024 15:37
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Great race with interesting twists along the way...

Amazing drive by Charles..I guess the only driver that was able to manage tyre wear with some great driving...

McLaren was too busy keeping peace between their drivers than to cover Ferrari. I guess Norris feels like he should be given a shot at the Driver's title since he has stuck with the team even when McLaren didn't have a capable car...Papaya rules over the radio was hilarious...

RBR seems like they have lost their way with the announcement of Newey leaving...updates doesn't seem to work and seems to be making the car worse...interesting that Max wasn't furious...

The newbies show potential...Colapinto & Bearman looks good jumpin in with short notice... Antonelli buckled under pressure I suppose...amazing pace though... Guess we'll know about Doohan next year.. I've given up on Lawson as even if he debuts with any RB, the environment won't be ideal for him to grow and show his full potential..

Off to Azerbaijan...that long DRS straight would be an amazing thing to watch with all cars so close together...I'm fairly certain Charles will be in the wall at one point in the weekend...

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  #3278604 3-Sep-2024 17:24
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Apparently VCARB are still at Monza to do a Pirelli tyre testing session tomorrow. I wonder if Lawson will see any track time or if it will be confined to Tsunoda and/or Ricciardo. Hopefully social media will provide an answer in due course.


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  #3278690 4-Sep-2024 08:41
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Well, I was partially right. Apparently the Pirelli testing is over two days with Red Bull and Mercedes also involved. Lawson was in the RB20 overnight and completed 104 laps with a best time of 1:22:126. By comparison, Russell drove the Merc for a best of 1:20:747 on a soft compound. No mention if Lawson's time was also on softs but you'd presume so.

 

Lawson is staying at Monza to continue the testing with VCARB tonight. Great to see he's being given plenty of laps to try and press his claim for a seat. His time versus Russell doesn't seem too bad to me, given the relative merits of the two cars at the moment. Assuming these Pirelli compounds they are testing are comparable, hopefully he can set a similar time to what Tsunoda and Ricciardo achieved over the weekend.

 

Will be interesting to learn what configuration he drives with the VCARB. I'm sure the team will want to gather more data on the upgrades Tsunoda ran, even though they're officially only there to help Pirelli with tyre development. However, I read that Yuki said the new floor was munted in his collision with Hulkenberg so maybe Lawson will be in the older spec car.


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  #3279332 5-Sep-2024 17:04
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Lawson completed another 76 laps in the VCARB overnight before a PU issue stopped proceedings. Sounds like Ferrari might have also been there as Bearman was mentioned as running. Haven't seen any times reported on the feeds my phone thinks I want to see.

 

Also caught up with Ted's Notebook today who made mention of the fact that an announcement is expected at VCARB soon and possibly before Baku about the driver situation. Suggested that the very nebulous "everybody" is expecting Ricciardo to be out and Lawson in for next season. Not the strongest of predictions I'd say, but there you go. The paddock rumour mill seems to get most things right.


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  #3279400 5-Sep-2024 22:12
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I heard the conspiracy theory that Disney has a Perez documentary series coming out soon, so there might be some pressure to keep him in F1 until that’s released.

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  #3279401 5-Sep-2024 22:20
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I think it's great another Kiwi could get into F1. But is Liam any faster than Danny Ric? I'm not sure he's much of an upgrade. Will they go for someone else who can bring in big sponsorship dollars?


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  #3279485 6-Sep-2024 09:47
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Bias aside, Danny Ricc is the big name, and failed in McLaren. he's not showing anything at VCARB either. Given Lawson's 5 races last year, with zero notice, with zero experience in the car, with zero experience on some of the tracks, and he out raced Tsunoda as well, it would be sensible to give him the last 8 or 9 races. For a brand that flips drivers for fun, its totally bizarre they stick with two older drivers that are going nowhere 


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