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#3279490 6-Sep-2024 10:00

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I think it's great another Kiwi could get into F1. But is Liam any faster than Danny Ric? I'm not sure he's much of an upgrade. Will they go for someone else who can bring in big sponsorship dollars?

I came here to say what @tdgeek said. Liam > Yuki and Yuki > Danny Ric so it follows Liam > Danny Ric

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#3279512 6-Sep-2024 11:56

Wonder when that deadline is for Liam.

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#3279513 6-Sep-2024 12:14

hairy1: >I came here to say what @tdgeek said. Liam > Yuki and Yuki > Danny Ric so it follows Liam > Danny Ric

I don't think your logic holds up. Tsunoda was given latest upgrades for Monza but didn't do anything with them. The car is slow. Even the senior team is in disarray with Verstappen apparently mixing components without designer input.

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#3279522 6-Sep-2024 13:38

Liam outperformed Yuki when he subbed for Danny last year. Danny has been outperformed by Yuki throughout this season with a couple of exceptions.

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#3279531 6-Sep-2024 14:15

Agree. Any race can throw up any result, but the overall trend is quiet clear

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#3279553 6-Sep-2024 16:40

hairy1:

Liam outperformed Yuki when he subbed for Danny last year. Danny has been outperformed by Yuki throughout this season with a couple of exceptions.

As biased as I am towards Lawson getting a go, I do think he had a bit of good fortune go his way versus Tsunoda last year. The Japanese driver did have a couple of DNF's during Liam's five race stint which helped to accentuate the positive. That said, that's racing and every driver in F1 gets plenty of situations go for and against them over the course of a season. Liam had a couple of races where he didn't have to contend with a direct comparison to Yuki, nobody here will be losing sleep over that.

Also worth considering that Lawson was at least as good as Tsunoda and Alex Albon when he has been paired with them in previous series. So, as far as I'm concerned, the Kiwi well deserves a shot in F1. His ceiling is likely to be higher than what he showed last year once he gets properly installed at a team for a decent length of time. His main problem seems to be Horner, who I really don't think rates him that highly. His comments about Lawson always come across to me as saying just enough and no more.

I'm always reminded of that scene in DTS where Horner says to Lawson "you've done all you could do" at the end of his temporary spell in the AT. It always felt to me like as Horner was saying that he was was also thinking, " but it's not going to be enough". If Horner does relent and put Lawson in a car, I think the length of rope he will be given to properly prove himself will trend towards the DeVries end of the scale rather than the Tsunoda end.

I think he can do it though, he's a scrapper, this is not going to be Hartley 2.0 for us Kiwi followers.

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#3279556 6-Sep-2024 17:03

Could Liam replace Checo this year? I'm not a Red Bull fan so I'm not up to date with their situation.

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#3279568 6-Sep-2024 19:12

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Could Liam replace Checo this year? I'm not a Red Bull fan so I'm not up to date with their situation.

Maybe, though that guy seems pretty resilient.

To be fair there have been times when a car just really doesn't suit a particular driver and this might be the case for Perez.

I still think Daniel is a marketing drawcard for Red Bull, much like Perez is for the Mexican market.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ricciardo made the move to Red Bull and Lawson into VCARB

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#3279570 6-Sep-2024 19:49

Asteros:

Could Liam replace Checo this year? I'm not a Red Bull fan so I'm not up to date with their situation.

No chance as long as Horner is in charge.

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#3280072 8-Sep-2024 18:19

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hairy1:

Liam outperformed Yuki when he subbed for Danny last year. Danny has been outperformed by Yuki throughout this season with a couple of exceptions.

As biased as I am towards Lawson getting a go, I do think he had a bit of good fortune go his way versus Tsunoda last year. The Japanese driver did have a couple of DNF's during Liam's five race stint which helped to accentuate the positive. That said, that's racing and every driver in F1 gets plenty of situations go for and against them over the course of a season. Liam had a couple of races where he didn't have to contend with a direct comparison to Yuki, nobody here will be losing sleep over that.

Also worth considering that Lawson was at least as good as Tsunoda and Alex Albon when he has been paired with them in previous series. So, as far as I'm concerned, the Kiwi well deserves a shot in F1. His ceiling is likely to be higher than what he showed last year once he gets properly installed at a team for a decent length of time. His main problem seems to be Horner, who I really don't think rates him that highly. His comments about Lawson always come across to me as saying just enough and no more.

I'm always reminded of that scene in DTS where Horner says to Lawson "you've done all you could do" at the end of his temporary spell in the AT. It always felt to me like as Horner was saying that he was was also thinking, " but it's not going to be enough". If Horner does relent and put Lawson in a car, I think the length of rope he will be given to properly prove himself will trend towards the DeVries end of the scale rather than the Tsunoda end.

I think he can do it though, he's a scrapper, this is not going to be Hartley 2.0 for us Kiwi followers.

Yeah, he has shown more than enough IMHO. 5 races, out raced Yuki (who has grown) some tracks never been there before, etc, etc

He needs to move to another team given that Red Bull, who hired and fired at will, are now Mr Conservative

Albon was dumped, went to a poor team. He has showed he out performs the car. Better off to drive for a low team than be a reserve for a top team. You cannot show your wares, watching a screen next to the Team Principal.

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#3280074 8-Sep-2024 18:33

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Could Liam replace Checo this year? I'm not a Red Bull fan so I'm not up to date with their situation.

Maybe, though that guy seems pretty resilient.

To be fair there have been times when a car just really doesn't suit a particular driver and this might be the case for Perez.

I still think Daniel is a marketing drawcard for Red Bull, much like Perez is for the Mexican market.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ricciardo made the move to Red Bull and Lawson into VCARB

I can see that. Im a Red Bull fan, due to Mark Webber. They won 4 Constructors, they were never anywhere near the speed trap stats, thats pretty awesome. Dropped drivers at will. Now they stick to Checo, who a few races ago unofficially lost them 2024 Constructors. They stick with Danny Ricc, who is awesome, but he is now not. Should be running rings around Yuki, but he isnt. Totally bizarre. I think Max is awesome. He is a generational talent. He will probably lose the Drivers as he is racing solo. Oddly I hope that happens. Look at other Team Principals. They are running rings around Horner.

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#3280097 8-Sep-2024 19:32

tdgeek:

Agree. Any race can throw up any result, but the overall trend is quiet clear

The trend at the moment is the reverse of the season start. Ricciardo has finished ahead of Tsunoda in 6 of the last 8 races. In Hungary he qualified 9th and was likely to finish ahead but the team pulled him in early for a pointless tyre change.

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#3281688 13-Sep-2024 12:51

So McLaren will be using team orders for the last races to help Lando, but it seems passive team orders. I.e. they race as normal but they would switch places at the end. Rather then helping Lando through the race. If they did the latter, its not a deserved Title, its scripted.

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#3281691 13-Sep-2024 12:59

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So McLaren will be using team orders for the last races to help Lando, but it seems passive team orders. I.e. they race as normal but they would switch places at the end. Rather then helping Lando through the race. If they did the latter, its not a deserved Title, its scripted.

I'm not sure why it being scripted is an issue? If you let them race, there's a chance something stupid happens, say they both crash trying to pass each other for the win, instead of one two points haul, the team get zero and don't win the constructors.
Which incidentally is the only one that has prize money.

I think McLaren's issue is not having an earlier defined point at which the leading driver would then become number one. Say if Lando was ahead at the summer break, then Piastri would then assume a support role to help Lando win the drivers and more importantly ensure they win the money.

With two essential number one drivers, they probably needed to have drawn a line a bit earlier.

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#3281744 13-Sep-2024 15:07

I get all that, but Constructors is about the highest earning Constructor, Drivers is about the highest earning driver. Not really earnt if its fudged IMO.

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