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#3376785 26-May-2025 13:10

Jaxson:

Liam played smart today, blocking traffic like a real team player and finally bringing home some points.

I must admit I couldn't work out how he was going to stay in the points until Williams did the same thing and effectively gave him a window.

I actually didn't mind it for a change. As others have pointed it out it's around for awhile yet amd whilst I enjoyed an element of the mandatory two stops it does feel artificial.

I don't know what the answer is, perhaps ditch the two compound rule altogether for all races. But perhaps the compounds have bigger steps, IE a soft is five seconds quicker than a medium and another five to the hards.

Someone wants to trundle round for two hours on hards they should have a slower net time than two sets of mediums or three of softs. I don't know, I figure it's one race per year. It's glorified qualifying.

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#3376786 26-May-2025 13:11

Yet despite my complaints about Monaco and todays race in partucular I still get up at 5am on a Monday morning to watch it before work!

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#3376835 26-May-2025 13:13

What can be done about Monaco and other tracks that have really limited passing opportunities?
As a spectacle, it's not great to be entirely relying on driver error (i.e. crashes) and pitlane error to see movement in the field.

I'd rather see some aggressive, high-speed passing-friendly racecourses added and the narrow, one-lane nonsense done away with.

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#3376838 26-May-2025 13:25

Handsomedan:

I'd rather see some aggressive, high-speed passing-friendly racecourses added and the narrow, one-lane nonsense done away with.

We have plenty of permanent facilities that produce worse racing, unfortunately. Silverstone used to produce boring races, as did Spain.

I guess the point is there's only one of Monaco, where as the Tilkedromes and permanent circuits tend to have a degree of same-ness.

Look at what they did to my boy Hockenheim.

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#3376892 26-May-2025 13:48

Now that Liberty have signed up Disney, perhaps last night was a demonstration of what F1 has to offer to its new partner with "Added Mouse"?

You guys have said it all, not a great deal to add on the question of Monaco as a true sporting event. Under Liberty, F1 has become sports entertainment and nowhere is more true of this than Monaco. It's all about the glitz and glamour and the race itself is just an afterthought. The history and the novelty of the event is the only thing that keeps the drivers engaged. If this track had popped up on the calendar only five years ago, the drivers wouldn't want to know about it.

On Lawson, he seemed to have a much better weekend overall. He looked pretty competitive against Hadjar until it transpired that the Frenchman was having unusual difficulty in getting his car dialed in across the free practices. Come the Quali session Hadjar again proved his class while Lawson left lap time on the table when he really needed to nail it.

That said, really happy for him to come away with some points finally. He was a great team player and executed the strategy well to benefit them both ultimately. I thought Liam was actually pretty hard-done-by in the second half of the race. After his second stop he came out 30 seconds behind Ocon and was relatively easily able to catch up to him and Hadjar, despite being told to hold station further back.

On any other track Lawson would have been able to easily breeze by the two Frenchmen on their much older rubber. Hadjar especially was nursing his tires big-time which allowed Ocon to stay within DRS range. Even if Ocon had fallen more than a second behind Hadjar it's doubtful Lawson could have got past under DRS unfortunately. He was riding Ocon's gearbox for 15 laps, hoping Esteban would make a mistake but it unfortunately never came. However, you could argue Liam had the stronger race overall, and to only come away with four points while Hadjar banked eight is a bit annoying from a biased perspective.

Lindblad had an eventful weekend, though still scored points in both F2 races to continue his streak. He is ahead of his teammate now in the championship. If he is next cab for Racing Bulls, then it's probably a choice between Lawson and Tsunoda for 2026. Assuming Verstappen stays then it's Hadjar alongside him next season with Lawson and Lindblad at Racing Bulls. Tsunoda is done, he was already done until the disastrous Lawson experiment and twenty million dollars gave him an unexpected chance. But, he hasn't taken it (hardly his fault) and Red Bull already thought this would be his last season with them.

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#3376901 26-May-2025 14:22

Handsomedan:

What can be done about Monaco and other tracks that have really limited passing opportunities?

run all the cars with no front wing and no rear wing and no underbody suction

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#3376940 26-May-2025 15:38

Next year we have new regs, with no DRS and a passing button, so Monaco will be different - and yet likely still the same...

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#3377017 26-May-2025 16:04

Monaco is just too small to pass easily, especially with these massive cars now.
Even next years reduction won't be significant to address that.

Hence the challenge is really about concentration and consistency to drive on the limit within the confines of the track.
That doesn't really happen though if all driving slowly.

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#3377079 26-May-2025 18:22

Jaxson:

The forced two pitstops had me quite angry really, as there was potential for teams to game this big time, and that's what we saw. Overall dangerously slow at times to allow a team mate a free pitstop up ahead. The reward of pole potentially undermined by false rule giving benefit to those with nothing to lose.

F1 has some fundamentals it needs to address. Size of cars is one of them, but overall they're reducing the opportunities for error, which currently comes mostly from poor pitstops. Refuelling and tyres give the strategy options people want, and allow them to race not constantly save fuel/manage tyres. Tyres at Monaco should be selected to only last 20 laps or so max, so bring super softs and softs. Bring that scary part of will the tyres last to the end etc.

Don't know. Glad to see Lando win, it's a glamour achievement every driver does want. The track is scary fast and closed in, the onboards were epic this year. I feel the race would come alive with smaller cars that were designed and incentivised to race fast.

100% what I bolded, it then becomes a race, not a Team Strategists competition

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#3377080 26-May-2025 18:26

Jaxson:

Liam played smart today, blocking traffic like a real team player and finally bringing home some points.

And he looked good in the FP sessions. If he can step up in a tight track like this, he needs to take that on board and do the needful at normal tracks. Hopefully a confidence boost, "I belong here" He has been a shadow of his two small stints. Rush jobs, never seen these tracks but he did great and got headlines to prove it.

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#3377081 26-May-2025 18:27

Benoire:

Yet despite my complaints about Monaco and todays race in partucular I still get up at 5am on a Monday morning to watch it before work!

4-45am for me, step up Mr B!!! :-)

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#3377083 26-May-2025 18:31

Handsomedan:

What can be done about Monaco and other tracks that have really limited passing opportunities?
As a spectacle, it's not great to be entirely relying on driver error (i.e. crashes) and pitlane error to see movement in the field.

I'd rather see some aggressive, high-speed passing-friendly racecourses added and the narrow, one-lane nonsense done away with.

I am ok with driver error and crashes, and pitlane errors. Like many sports its a package. Not ok with artificial races. If there was a red flag, Max wins easily. New softs, in P1, easy as. But he got 4th which was where he was, or an easy as artificial win. If that happened, he would say exactly that, I win, great, but it was fake news.

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#3377126 27-May-2025 07:43

Jaxson:

Monaco is just too small to pass easily, especially with these massive cars now.
Even next years reduction won't be significant to address that.

Hence the challenge is really about concentration and consistency to drive on the limit within the confines of the track.
That doesn't really happen though if all driving slowly.

To be honest it doesn't really matter with modern cars. It's been dated for soo loong.

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#3378124 29-May-2025 17:05

Those on Sky TV, what's the F1 coverage been like this year?

My use is:

Replays:
10 min summary - youtube
Race in 30 min F1 TV - solid feel, just skips the boring laps.

Full race if viewing live.

Does Sky cater for the above etc? Quality/reliability been ok?
And do you get options for the international audio feed too?

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#3378235 30-May-2025 09:48

I have the Black Sky Satellite Box. It's a good service for watching live and replays in full. There's only the Sky Uk commentary. Oh there's the preview and after race analysis and Ted's notebook.

I usually watch a race live or catch highlights on Youtube, seems like F1's own Youtube channel puts them up first.

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