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#3281767 13-Sep-2024 16:35

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I get all that, but Constructors is about the highest earning Constructor, Drivers is about the highest earning driver. Not really earnt if its fudged IMO.

But where do you draw the line? Back in the unlimited testing days Irvine would be sent to the beach and Schumacher did thousands of kilometres himself instead to get the maximum advantage. Are those championships fudged? How useful would the testing have been for Eddie Irvine's career?

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#3281780 13-Sep-2024 16:52

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tdgeek:

I get all that, but Constructors is about the highest earning Constructor, Drivers is about the highest earning driver. Not really earnt if its fudged IMO.

But where do you draw the line? Back in the unlimited testing days Irvine would be sent to the beach and Schumacher did thousands of kilometres himself instead to get the maximum advantage. Are those championships fudged? How useful would the testing have been for Eddie Irvine's career?

Unfortunately its always been like that, the Schummy days blatantly. Indianapolis was a classic example. No idea where you draw the line, the drivers earn their points or they are gifted. No.2 driver, strategy etc

Rosberg leading, great. Pitstop. "how was I leading now I'm 7 seconds behind?"

Winning Constructors is black and white and earned.

All I'm saying is if Oscar rolled over and Lando won the Drivers, is that earned? I'd love to see Lando win it, but he should win it. He actually alluded to that in today's article

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#3282298 15-Sep-2024 12:48

One swallow doesn't make a summer, but this Colapinto kid is giving us a benchmark on just how average Sargeant was.

If he performs like this for the rest of the season does he come into the frame for Sauber/Audi (or Red Bull/VCARB)? I know he's tied to Williams currently, but still. Bearman also looked pretty decent versus Hulkenburg. All these young blokes come in next season and show up their more experienced teammates is going to make it interesting. The current grid could be carrying a lot of deadwood.

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#3282384 15-Sep-2024 18:28

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One swallow doesn't make a summer, but this Colapinto kid is giving us a benchmark on just how average Sargeant was.

If he performs like this for the rest of the season does he come into the frame for Sauber/Audi (or Red Bull/VCARB)? I know he's tied to Williams currently, but still. Bearman also looked pretty decent versus Hulkenburg. All these young blokes come in next season and show up their more experienced teammates is going to make it interesting. The current grid could be carrying a lot of deadwood.

Albon is excellent, but he has no benchmark. Colapinto looks very good, but wait a race or two. Seems the young guns are much better prepared these days. Liam, arguably, and biasdly fits right in

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#3282387 15-Sep-2024 18:45

Moving on... :-)

Any given race, Ferrari look very average or excellent. Same for Mercedes. RBR has a bit to work on. McLaren are clear top dogs.

BUT, it's highly variable. Baku, Ferrari look really great. Mercedes less so. RBR improving but lack top speed in sector 3. McLaren as expected look very very good but not dominant (going by Piastri as Lando was unlucky.)

Perez I've been highly critical, but I'll give him his due, he excels on street tracks.

Race wise tonight, Mercedes seem to be P7, P8. Red Bull seem to be P5, P6. Ferrari seem to be P1, P2. Piastri anywhere from P1 to P3. Lando, if he reaches P8 that's a good result. P4 is the outlier, no idea who will fill that.

While I really rate Lando, part of me thinks he feels the pressure and folds. he has had 7 poles, every one he has lost the lead on the first lap. Catching Max will be hard, there is no room for a bad weekend. While he has bettered Oscar on average, Oscar is solid, Lando is faster but more delicate.

End of the day, whoever wins whatever Im happy as its racing, not what you generally see in F1 for the obvious reasons.

Karun stated just that in commentary. New regs, one team will nail it and be dominant. Normal. When the other teams converge they change the regs. So you rarely see good racing, but we see that now. Who will win tonight? No idea, but Im picking LeClerc. Will max finish 7th or 2nd? No idea. Will Oscar finish 2nd? No idea. Thats all pretty cool, as we will see, driver skills, team strategy skills, teams use alternate strategy, yellow flags red flags, and pure luck

Id like Williams to shine though too

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#3282412 15-Sep-2024 22:30

I'm just looking forward to an exciting race, all the top teams being in the frame now has definately made the armchair spectating a lot better.

From a Liam point-of-view I'm hoping Tsunoda can put in a solid race and finish several places higher than Ricciardo, preferably with a couple of points to his name. It does feel like the Aussie is dead-man-walking from the recent paddock rumours, though I'm less confident Liam is going to be the replacement. Hadjar is killing it in F2 and I wouldn't put it past Red Bull to grab Colapinto either, they have form in doing that.

Latest news from our "reliable" team source, Marko, is that they intend to make an announcement on drivers after Singapore. Apparently his justification for the continued delay is that it's still September after Singapore. Which is obviously a reference to Lawson's contract clause, but doesn't inspire me with confidence. It does feel like they are looking for a better option still and that Lawson is the fallback option.

I will be absolutely ropeable if they have strung Liam along for so long and then pass him over once again for a perceived better left-field option. Have to believe Hadjar and Colapinto are Lawson's greatest threats for a seat right now.

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#3282416 16-Sep-2024 00:45

Baku produces a great race. What a stellar drive from Oscar. Also brilliant work from Lando to pass Max at the end and take fastest lap. Made up for the exit in Q1.

Overall well worth staying up for.

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#3282417 16-Sep-2024 01:02

Great race.

Now sleep 😴

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#3282418 16-Sep-2024 01:08

JPNZ: Baku produces a great race. What a stellar drive from Oscar. Also brilliant work from Lando to pass Max at the end and take fastest lap. Made up for the exit in Q1.

Overall well worth staying up for.

A really enjoyable race. Especially considering there werent that many incidents or overtakes! Just felt like every lap something was going to happen.

An amazing drive by Lando in the end really... sure he was helped a couple of spots in the last couple of laps there but his holding up of Perez is what allowed McLaren a chance of the win. To be just seconds away from a podium from where he started is pretty exceptional.

Perez threw away a podium there. Crazy to see Red Bull might finish 3rd in the constructors given how quickly they ran away with things in the 1st third to half of the season.

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#3282460 16-Sep-2024 08:50

Perez is Monaco all over again, clear track to the left but closes the door on someone up against the wall.

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#3282562 16-Sep-2024 12:23

Fantastic race, really enjoyed that, Piastri earned that win, lots of pressure from Charles, and his pass on Charles was awesome. He drove perfect laps with Charles right behind him to jump on any mistakes and none came. Norris should have been 6th but the crash at the end really spiced it up. Redbull will be furious not only have they lost the the Constructors lead but Perez was about to silence the critics and he ends up with DNF and no points. Another pathetic performance from Riccardo the sooner the jettison him the better. Lawson has to be a better option.

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#3282563 16-Sep-2024 12:24

oh and williams in double points. How good is that.

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#3282565 16-Sep-2024 12:27

Lando has to beat Max by 8.5 points every race till the end. That's probably not going to happen. (He needs MAX to DNF coupe times to bring him back into the picture)

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#3282577 16-Sep-2024 13:11

My take is McLaren were competitive too soon and weren't prepared for the supporting strategy aspects around such a good car package. They deserve the constructors championship but the drivers requires a mindset they haven't had.

Oscar did exceptionally well team player wise today and won the lead for Oscar as he held up Perez. I still see Oscar as being able to put in the fast laps compared to Lando. Oscar seems the more aggressive, making passes that most don't see or commit to, but Lando is always able to catch up to Oscar but not the same in reverse where Lando often drives away.

Williams, how cool was that?!

Man this season has been great with uncertainty making for great viewing.

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#3282578 16-Sep-2024 13:12

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Lando has to beat Max by 8.5 points every race till the end. That's probably not going to happen. (He needs MAX to DNF coupe times to bring him back into the picture)

Lando is 59 points behind with 7 races left. Its not inconceivable, given the performance of the RBR right now to consider that Max won't finish second every race and could well finish 3rd or 4th.. If Lando and the Mclaren can do the job then he could overhaul Max before the end... lots of ifs and its certainly not clear cut now for RBR as it was in '22 and '23!

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