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#2870856 18-Feb-2022 13:31

They were stuck between a rock & a hard place - they probably had to sack him to avoid massive ongoing fallout from Merc & their fans.

It's too much job for one person anyway - I think they have replaced his job with 2 different roles now? Hope he stays on in another role. Too much 'old boys club' in some of these setups and someone (comparatively) younger & fresher is good in an influential role IMO.

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#2870861 18-Feb-2022 13:38

GV27:
Still a crappy decision which just gave the lead to Lewis after he'd lost it. The quality of that Stewards call has been totally papered over despite the fact it changed the lead in the championship decider - and completely disproves any conspiracy to hand Max the title.

Do the overtaking rules allow Max to force other cars off track so long as he manages to stay on track? Hamilton didn't just decide he'd cut the corner.

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#2870864 18-Feb-2022 13:42

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GV27:

Still a crappy decision which just gave the lead to Lewis after he'd lost it. The quality of that Stewards call has been totally papered over despite the fact it changed the lead in the championship decider - and completely disproves any conspiracy to hand Max the title.

Do the overtaking rules allow Max to force other cars off track so long as he manages to stay on track? Hamilton didn't just decide he'd cut the corner.

I'd be more sympathetic to this argument if Lewis hadn't spent the whole season (notably in Jeddah as well) chopping Max off the track when he got alongside. If Max doesn't give way, Monza happens. If he goes off track, they make him give a place back like in Saudi Arabia. Lewis can't have this both ways.

At some point, Hamilton's driving has to be policed with the consistency as his fans seem to expect Max to race with, or else the problem is really just that someone having the audacity to actually race Lewis wheel-to-wheel.

I don't get why it's so hard to have a rule that says you can't force another driver off the track at all.

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#2870883 18-Feb-2022 14:14

GV27:

I don't get why it's so hard to have a rule that says you can't force another driver off the track at all.

Or vice versa that if you can't complete your pass by the corner then you're fair game.
Shutting the door on a pass because you hold the high ground isn't new, it's just morphed into something more PC of late where if you're alongside then you can't be touched and have to be left space.

Frankly I'm at the don't give a damn which way you go stage, just as long as the rule is applied consistently.

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#2870886 18-Feb-2022 14:22

Benoire:

Like Max during previous races, this is why the race director had to go as he wasn't esclating topics to the stewards as expected and was trying to avoid these confrontations with drivers and stewards. Also wasn't that incident esclated to the stewards and they decided nothing was worth dealing with?

I think the lobbying is gone to the race director, I think the FIA have removed the ability to communicate with them at the teams will, only the race director can call them. Obviously there will be other channels for the teams to use but it won't be direct and can be ignored.

While I dont have an issue with Masi staying or going, F1 has shot itself in the foot.

If they sacked Masi and replaced him with John Smith, fine. Remove a poor performer and replace with a better performer, thats life.

But if you replace Masi for two people and a video ref, you are stating that one person cannot do it, but three people can, its a system issue. But you throw the one person under the bus, because you've decided its a three person role.

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#2870889 18-Feb-2022 14:34

Jaxson:

Frankly I'm at the don't give a damn which way you go stage, just as long as the rule is applied consistently.

Almost everyone, regardless of camp, seems to be pissed off with the total lack of what is and isn't OK when it comes to leave space.

Just make the rule and then they'll drive to it. It's not their first day.

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#2870927 18-Feb-2022 15:17

Ferrari's new car looks interesting. Nice to see all the teams trying all sorts of different approaches at least.

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#2870987 18-Feb-2022 17:04

Yep glad there are genuine design differences in rule interpretations this year.

Someone’s going to do this better than others. Some gambles aren’t going to work.
Consistency of drivers opens another angle too, so will see if a design choice that favours Danny Ric hurts Landos preferred style etc.

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#2871005 18-Feb-2022 17:42

I wanna see Alpine's car, give me some giga-lonso vibes

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#2873613 24-Feb-2022 08:30

Seven-times world champion Lewis Hamilton called on Formula One to bring in "non-biased" race stewards, saying friendships between some of them and certain drivers had influenced their decision-making.

Id say hes done rather well in escaping penalties for his driving. Lets extend the non bias to professional commentators too

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#2873625 24-Feb-2022 09:04

tdgeek:

Id say hes done rather well in escaping penalties for his driving. Lets extend the non bias to professional commentators too

He certainly isn't in a great position to be crying Toto after some of the calls that went his way last year.

I love the Red Bull; three distinct possibilities:

1) It all works and this is some sort of hideously complex Newey-imagined concept that proves to be fast.

2) It doesn't work, Adrian Newey has had some sort of small stroke event and this is the resulting nightmare.

3) The original concept doesn't work and they're already trying to extricate themselves out of their design philosophy with some attempt at a B-chassis already.

The Mercedes looks boring. The Ferrari looks gorgeous. But the Red Bull has a lot going on and I love it. In the late 1990s we had such a diverse set of car designs and then years of sameness (the dick-nose era shall not be spoken about).

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#2873633 24-Feb-2022 09:17

Me too, the RBR has a few things others dont have, and if Newey is there, then they are real not try outs. I assume Honda is still evolving the engine, Mercedes cant get much more out of theirs IMO

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#2873636 24-Feb-2022 09:26

GV27:

The Mercedes looks boring. The Ferrari looks gorgeous. But the Red Bull has a lot going on and I love it. In the late 1990s we had such a diverse set of car designs and then years of sameness (the dick-nose era shall not be spoken about).

Perhaps, but watching some of the videos, that boring design looks to be stable as anything. Who cares what it looks like if it crosses the line first - there's no points for design flair. When I saw their massive front wing endplates all I could think about was that scene fron Ben-Hur of the chariots going wheel-to-wheel.

I'm on the fence with Newey, he might design gorgeous curves and winglets etc but are they optimal? You'd have to consider that CFD aided designs could well be far superior to even a master analogue aerodynamicist.

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#2873645 24-Feb-2022 09:38

insane:

Perhaps, but watching some of the videos, that boring design looks to be stable as anything. Who cares what it looks like if it crosses the line first - there's no points for design flair. When I saw their massive front wing endplates all I could think about was that scene fron Ben-Hur of the chariots going wheel-to-wheel.

I'm on the fence with Newey, he might design gorgeous curves and winglets etc but are they optimal? You'd have to consider that CFD aided designs could well be far superior to even a master analogue aerodynamicist.

Wont RBR use CFD also?

Are the videos on Youtube? I thought they weren't televised, or were they recorded for the media playback later?

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#2873657 24-Feb-2022 09:56

insane:

Perhaps, but watching some of the videos, that boring design looks to be stable as anything. Who cares what it looks like if it crosses the line first - there's no points for design flair. When I saw their massive front wing endplates all I could think about was that scene fron Ben-Hur of the chariots going wheel-to-wheel.

Stable is boring, but that's a function of how massive the cars are (4.4m in 1996 vs. 5.8m for last year's cars) and how much more grip is coming from the underbody instead of the tyres.

Wish they'd go back to the old mid-90s form factor with the improve crash-structures but here we are.

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