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#3282609 16-Sep-2024 14:55

Watched the post race show on F1. And my god did Russell whine constantly about the tires. How they're not suitable and its basically unreasonable that his car was one of the slowest before the pit stop then one of the fastest. All I kept thinking was: Its the same tires for everyone...so if your car changes that much maybe its the car/set up. Wish the interviewer had of asked him something like "Doesn't tire performance affect all teams? And if not...is it just your car?". Not a fan of his but often thought his reputation was a bit unfairly labelled. Not so sure after that interview.

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#3282694 16-Sep-2024 16:06

Benoire:

if Lando .. can do the job

let's just stop at that. Lando is not going to, he's making mistake after mistake, and if he doesn't make a mistake McLaren will stuff something up

Max just need to score points here and there and let the front guys take each other out and win by less than 7 points at the end.

just my prediction of course.

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#3282696 16-Sep-2024 16:09

Jaxson:

My take is McLaren were competitive too soon and weren't prepared for the supporting strategy aspects around such a good car package. They deserve the constructors championship but the drivers requires a mindset they haven't had.

if i were McLaren I'd have given Lando new every parts and take a 50 place grid penalty and start 20th. not sure why they didn't do that.

all of his parts bar 1 are his final allocation https://maxf1.net/en/2024-f1-power-unit-elements-usage/

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#3282720 16-Sep-2024 18:20

nzkc:
Watched the post race show on F1. And my god did Russell whine constantly about the tires. How they're not suitable and its basically unreasonable that his car was one of the slowest before the pit stop then one of the fastest. All I kept thinking was: Its the same tires for everyone...

And he wasn't the only driver having tyre consistency problems. Bottas mentioned difficulty on hard tyres, Ricciardo had graining on hard compound that just seemed to come right and give 4 secs per lap better times but too late. Tsunoda pulled out too early for the team to compare results.

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#3282820 16-Sep-2024 20:32

nzkc:

Perez threw away a podium there.

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#3282825 16-Sep-2024 20:40

langi27:

Lando has to beat Max by 8.5 points every race till the end. That's probably not going to happen. (He needs MAX to DNF coupe times to bring him back into the picture)

A lot like Tour golf on day 4. Good lead, that can easily dissipate. Max was 62 ahead with 10 races to go, 6.2 average. That should/could be very doable. Lando gained 3 today, slipped behind. But Lando should be P1/P2 each race, Max wont get close to that. BUT Ferrari are looking solid, as in solid every race not the odd race, they can steal points. Red Bull made a gain, showed by Perez, they can also get more points than recent races show.

Ive been an f1 fan forever, this is what the pinnacle of Motorsport should be. We have 18 months left before new regs take it apart, giving us 2-3 years or predictable pecking order before they converge.

McLaren great. But maybe not as far ahead now?

Ferrari, in or out, they seem very in right now

RBR. Poor, but still 3rd best team arguably, like Merc they dunno whats wrong, but progress last night

Mercedes. Maybe great, then good but not great. Beware.

Then the young guns

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#3282826 16-Sep-2024 20:45

Jaxson:

My take is McLaren were competitive too soon and weren't prepared for the supporting strategy aspects around such a good car package. They deserve the constructors championship but the drivers requires a mindset they haven't had.

Oscar did exceptionally well team player wise today and won the lead for Oscar as he held up Perez. I still see Oscar as being able to put in the fast laps compared to Lando. Oscar seems the more aggressive, making passes that most don't see or commit to, but Lando is always able to catch up to Oscar but not the same in reverse where Lando often drives away.

Williams, how cool was that?!

Man this season has been great with uncertainty making for great viewing.

Agree, sorta!!

My feel is Lando is faster as he has shown. More erratic/delicate. But Oscar is todays Iceman. he has scored more points than anyone last 6 races, now last 7 races. Post race commentary was is this Oscars release? His win wasnt luck or run of the green, he earned it, pure and simple. Fast, reliable, a bit of Danny Ricc sending it. The surprise Monza pass, the surprise Baku pass. 10/10

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#3282828 16-Sep-2024 20:49

Benoire:

langi27:

Lando has to beat Max by 8.5 points every race till the end. That's probably not going to happen. (He needs MAX to DNF coupe times to bring him back into the picture)

Lando is 59 points behind with 7 races left. Its not inconceivable, given the performance of the RBR right now to consider that Max won't finish second every race and could well finish 3rd or 4th.. If Lando and the Mclaren can do the job then he could overhaul Max before the end... lots of ifs and its certainly not clear cut now for RBR as it was in '22 and '23!

Yep. If I was to wager, I would pick Lando. If every race he went very well, Max, 5th, 6th, 7th, done and dusted. Ferrari can and probably will steal points. RBR will sort their issues. While we all relate Lando, IMO he can suffer pressure, Oscar will wear it. If Max hung on he deserves it, scored the most points. If Lando with his momentum wins it, awesome. It will likely go to the wire, but a bit of bad luck/good luck either way will probably decide it.

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#3282831 16-Sep-2024 20:53

nzkc:

Watched the post race show on F1. And my god did Russell whine constantly about the tires. How they're not suitable and its basically unreasonable that his car was one of the slowest before the pit stop then one of the fastest. All I kept thinking was: Its the same tires for everyone...so if your car changes that much maybe its the car/set up. Wish the interviewer had of asked him something like "Doesn't tire performance affect all teams? And if not...is it just your car?". Not a fan of his but often thought his reputation was a bit unfairly labelled. Not so sure after that interview.

They all whine lol. Max whined, Lewis whined. Yet their teammates were fine. The teams have refined this set of regs. They have converged. The cars are probably very well refined, so upgrades may not be a silver bullet, its more about nuances. Max/Lewis had the same car/tyres, so what they lost is probably driving style or aggression. Overdid it perhaps.Its fine margins now, be a teeny bit better that can pay off when 8 cars can win

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#3282880 17-Sep-2024 07:15

nzkc:

Watched the post race show on F1. And my god did Russell whine constantly about the tires. How they're not suitable and its basically unreasonable that his car was one of the slowest before the pit stop then one of the fastest. All I kept thinking was: Its the same tires for everyone...so if your car changes that much maybe its the car/set up. Wish the interviewer had of asked him something like "Doesn't tire performance affect all teams? And if not...is it just your car?". Not a fan of his but often thought his reputation was a bit unfairly labelled. Not so sure after that interview.

He's English. We can't help it. The whining that is...

The little things make the biggest difference.

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#3283730 18-Sep-2024 22:00

Back in the news
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350420730/singapore-shaping-daniel-ricciardos-formula-1-farewell-liam-lawson-looms-large

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#3283748 18-Sep-2024 23:36

Jaxson: Back in the news
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350420730/singapore-shaping-daniel-ricciardos-formula-1-farewell-liam-lawson-looms-large

Yeah, I'm filing this under "hope for the best, plan for the worst".

Latest rumours from those watching the paddock is that Lawson supposedly has a clause in his contract promising him five race starts this season. Sounds like a load of the proverbial from where I'm standing but the story has been getting a little traction in the past couple of days. They're saying his race seat date has now lapsed so you'd have to think he's been promised something or he would now be telling his story about being dumped to the media. Or announced by Sauber if he had that lined up on the quiet.

Think this will be the weekend for the Antipodean drivers at any rate, one very happy, one not so much.

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#3283988 19-Sep-2024 11:26

It may be an outlier comment, but if Perez slips back to his usual form, and Liam aces the last races, he could well be next to Max next year

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#3284017 19-Sep-2024 12:18

I think it's time for Marko to retire. Unless he's already told the drivers what's happening after Singapore and is just teasing the press it's a crappy way to motivate the team. Hypothetically a retiring driver could drive the wheels off the car. Perez and Tsunoda haven’t left much in the repair budget.

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#3284166 19-Sep-2024 17:32

tdgeek:

It may be an outlier comment, but if Perez slips back to his usual form, and Liam aces the last races, he could well be next to Max next year

Latest news seems to acknowledge they've gone wrong with their developments this year, and Perez has been highlighting this for a long time but Max's performance had masked it. Since reviewing it, they spotted a change about when Perez's performance dropped off and they've swung their attention back to that point in time and are course correcting. Perez was significantly better this time out in Baku.

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