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#2674313 14-Mar-2021 16:24

And another TMO howler (IMO). Blues try disallowed.

If the ball comes out of Akira Ioane’s hands backwards, Akira continues his momentum and Reiko Ioane catches the ball behind a line where Akira is, how can it be deemed a forward pass? Unless of course Akira accelerated, which is unlikely because he was copping a ‘no-arms’ tackle at that moment. I would have thought basic physics would have come into play. Apparently not a requirement for TMOs.

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#2674667 15-Mar-2021 03:34

Dingbatt:
And another TMO howler (IMO). Blues try disallowed.

If the ball comes out of Akira Ioane’s hands backwards, Akira continues his momentum and Reiko Ioane catches the ball behind a line where Akira is, how can it be deemed a forward pass? Unless of course Akira accelerated, which is unlikely because he was copping a ‘no-arms’ tackle at that moment. I would have thought basic physics would have come into play. Apparently not a requirement for TMOs.

What a farcical call. It's almost identical to the world rugby coaching video on you tube

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#2674689 15-Mar-2021 08:14

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Leicester Faingaanuku's try in the corner was an absoloute screamer. One of the best I've ever seen scored.

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Another pants TMO decision you mean.

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#2674695 15-Mar-2021 08:24

Handle9:

What a farcical call. It's almost identical to the world rugby coaching video on you tube

Amazing, a pretty much textbook example of the rule in action and they've managed to come up with something else.

As stated previously, the Crusaders have received mid-week apologies for less egregious calls. Let's see what the Blues and Chiefs get.

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#2674698 15-Mar-2021 08:46

Another pants TMO decision you mean.

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#2674726 15-Mar-2021 09:29

If the on-field decision is “Try”, there has to be clear evidence to overturn it. Whether Faingaanuku’s toe touched the grass prior to the ball being grounded wasn’t obvious from the replay. So the ref’s call stands. There was certainly less distance between his toe and the grass than there was between Brad Webber’s hand and the ball in the (not) knock-on. The same with McKenzie’s try, no clear evidence to overturn the decision. You see it depending what colour eyepatch you are wearing.

It must have been ‘Get Webber’ night on Saturday. I rewatched him getting penalised for snaffling the ball out of the scrum (pinged by the assistant ref). At no time was he beyond the flanker and definitely was on the defensive goal line side of the ball when he picked it up.

The Specsavers logo on the officials shirts gets more ironic week on week.

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#2674729 15-Mar-2021 09:35

Dingbatt:

If the on-field decision is “Try”, there has to be clear evidence to overturn it. Whether Faingaanuku’s toe touched the grass prior to the ball being grounded wasn’t obvious from the replay. So the ref’s call stands. There was certainly less distance between his toe and the grass than there was between Brad Webber’s hand and the ball in the (not) knock-on. The same with McKenzie’s try, no clear evidence to overturn the decision. You see it depending what colour eyepatch you are wearing.

It must have been ‘Get Webber’ night on Saturday. I rewatched him getting penalised for snaffling the ball out of the scrum (pinged by the assistant ref). At no time was he beyond the flanker and definitely was on the defensive goal line side of the ball when he picked it up.

The Specsavers logo on the officials shirts gets more ironic week on week.

I think it was marginal, but agree that it had to be clear and I don't think it was clear either.

Certainly, most of the other contentious calls over the weekend were clearer in my opinion.

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#2675137 15-Mar-2021 20:29

Dingbatt:

If the on-field decision is “Try”, there has to be clear evidence to overturn it.

Unless it's Sunday, or the TMO feels tired or the moon is in it's waning aspect or Alpha Centauri is in the ascendancy.

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#2675211 16-Mar-2021 06:52

I see they are having a ‘review’ of officials performance today (Tuesday). Probably something that happens every Tuesday, but it will be interesting to see if anything is announced.

I’m also irked when commentators (or reporters) say “In the end it had no impact because Team X won by 22 points”. If there is a count back for a tiebreak of standings (points differential, tries scored, yellow/red cards, etc) then a wrongly disallowed or awarded try, or card does make a difference.

I hope they review the breakdown as well because there seems to be a lack of consistency by the same referee in the same game around “not rolling away”.

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#2675253 16-Mar-2021 08:44

Dingbatt:

And another TMO howler (IMO). Blues try disallowed.

If the ball comes out of Akira Ioane’s hands backwards, Akira continues his momentum and Reiko Ioane catches the ball behind a line where Akira is, how can it be deemed a forward pass? Unless of course Akira accelerated, which is unlikely because he was copping a ‘no-arms’ tackle at that moment. I would have thought basic physics would have come into play. Apparently not a requirement for TMOs.

Anything that requires a judge is not fair sports. But then again life's not fair. TMO or no TMO no difference. The biggest upset I can recall in "rugby" with TMO issue is when NZ women lost to AU women in the Olympics gold medal match. The AU scored their game changing try but it was lost forward. In the Olympics rules TMO is not automatic you have to have a reason to question it. NZ being naive didn't even think about raising a TMO request. Came home with silver. At least this one had no effect on the score.

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#2675270 16-Mar-2021 09:03

My feeling on the issue with the refereeing is possibly they have been given too many things to 'focus' on. It happens with players too (Dan Carter one notable example toward the approach of the 2015 RWC).

Refereeing Rugby must be one of the hardest jobs in sport. There are so many moving parts, everything is happening faster and faster, and there are two sides of the field. Even in a Scrum, it's hard to be across everything. Some of these errors are basic and shouldn't happen, but inconsistency at the breakdown I can sort of understand a bit more.

From my memory of last year, the refereeing was pretty average and the penalty count was massive in the first three weeks. Players adjusted, referees relaxed a bit and the game flowed better.

Refereeing in general is a tough and thankless task. I referee some squash matches, and the margins are minute. The ball can be moving >140kmph, players are moving all over the place, athleticism increases year on year. Someone is always going to be unhappy with whatever decision you make and if you get two hot heads on court, it can feel pretty unpleasant. The rules in Squash are pretty well defined, but there is still room for interpretation and assessments to be made.

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#2675277 16-Mar-2021 09:21

Do you have the benefit of multi-angle slow motion replays when you referee squash?

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#2675456 16-Mar-2021 13:32

Dingbatt:

I’m also irked when commentators (or reporters) say “In the end it had no impact because Team X won by 22 points”. If there is a count back for a tiebreak of standings (points differential, tries scored, yellow/red cards, etc) then a wrongly disallowed or awarded try, or card does make a difference.

How do you know Team X might not have won by more even if the try was disallowed. Team X after a knock-on call might have won a scrum penalty and carried on their merry way.

Teams slowing up in the last 10 minutes have just as much effect in points diff, tries etc, so a big lead can cause that also.

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#2675962 17-Mar-2021 09:11

It's pretty pointless guessing what could or couldn't happen, despite the urge to do it. It's all theoretical. The team that got the call against them may have had a shift in momentum, they may not, the team the call was made for may have responded, they may not. Life and sport aren't fair.

If referees continue to get it wrong in major ways, one would expect the bosses would hand out retraining or a reprimand and hopefully, things get better.

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#2676722 18-Mar-2021 20:54

Dingbatt:

If the on-field decision is “Try”, there has to be clear evidence to overturn it.

Interestingly there is nothing in the laws that say this.

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