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#3284185 19-Sep-2024 19:10

Jaxson:

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It may be an outlier comment, but if Perez slips back to his usual form, and Liam aces the last races, he could well be next to Max next year

Latest news seems to acknowledge they've gone wrong with their developments this year, and Perez has been highlighting this for a long time but Max's performance had masked it. Since reviewing it, they spotted a change about when Perez's performance dropped off and they've swung their attention back to that point in time and are course correcting. Perez was significantly better this time out in Baku.

100% on that. Before I rant lol, Perez has been very poor. Baku he is the most successful driver, so bear that in mind.

When the Red Bull downward trend started (it didnt actually) they admitted they had issues on certain corner configs. Didnt matter as their dominance masked that

Like forever, a team may appear dominant, but not always the case. They just optimised the car first. Doesnt mean the car was magic. Vettel era, RBR was barely average in the speed traps, 4 titles. Mercedes, was 2 secs per lap faster, aced it. RBR now, aced it. But everyone else once time goes by, catches up.

In recent races McLaren has been great and consistent. Ferrari have been either meh or great. Same with Mercedes.Red Bull is inherently a quick package, but as the pack converged, those small and annoying negatives have grown. Arguably RBR were 4th best car. Baku, they were right there, not to win but right there.

It would not take much for RBR to fix some small issues, or for Ferrari to lock in their good recent form. Mercedes, hard to say, they can be good but inconsistent, relatively. McLaren they are acing it, or almost acing it

Its very fine margins. And while a Red Bull fan from the Webber days or McLaren forever, Im loving it. No one has a clue who will get pole, or win.

Going back to Liam, we have seen many young guns do well. That in itself may give Liam the rest of the races. Did "ok" in his 5.... There is a time to hold them and to fold them. RBR aced that, hire and fire at will, that has cost them. EDIT, as in not doing that. Solid and reliable only works till they are not solid and reliable.

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#3285008 22-Sep-2024 10:36

M Brundle commented at the start of FP1 commentary that he expects Danny Ricc out and Liam in or the rest of the season. Interview with Horner was interesting. Mentioned the many young drivers Red Bull brought through, mentioned the young drivers on the grid this year. Mentioned the FUTURE. So, Liam is in next race and rest of the season, lock that in. Hadjar was also mentioned, if Perez fell over again, who knows, RBR may add Liam and Hadjar rest of the season. Thats Red Bull of old. Given Perez and Danny Ricc

McLaren look great, especially Lando this track.

Same for Charles, pity about Q3.

RBR has improved some of their issues, great lap from Max. The one before he was 1:29.7 so car seems reliable

Mercedes???? George going great in FP, Lewis out of sorts, then that reverses. Great lap Lewis.

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#3285009 22-Sep-2024 10:45

tdgeek:
M Brundle commented at the start of FP1 commentary that he expects Danny Ricc out and Liam in or the rest of the season. Interview with Horner was interesting. Mentioned the many young drivers Red Bull brought through, mentioned the young drivers on the grid this year. Mentioned the FUTURE. So, Liam is in next race and rest of the season, lock that in. Hadjar was also mentioned, if Perez fell over again, who knows, RBR may add Liam and Hadjar rest of the season. Thats Red Bull of old. Given Perez and Danny Ricc

McLaren look great, especially Lando this track.

Same for Charles, pity about Q3.

RBR has improved some of their issues, great lap from Max. The one before he was 1:29.7 so car seems reliable

Mercedes???? George going great in FP, Lewis out of sorts, then that reverses. Great lap Lewis.

Undercut is strong in Singapore. Hoping Lewis and George leap ahead into P1 and P2.

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#3285030 22-Sep-2024 12:28

tdgeek:

M Brundle commented at the start of FP1 commentary that he expects Danny Ricc out and Liam in or the rest of the season. Interview with Horner was interesting. Mentioned the many young drivers Red Bull brought through, mentioned the young drivers on the grid this year. Mentioned the FUTURE. So, Liam is in next race and rest of the season, lock that in. Hadjar was also mentioned, if Perez fell over again, who knows, RBR may add Liam and Hadjar rest of the season. Thats Red Bull of old. Given Perez and Danny Ricc

It was an interesting interview with Horner. It does seem like Ricciardo is going to make way for Lawson shortly. It also seems like Lawson will have only what races he gets given this season to ensure he is signed for 2025. I don't think Horner is of a mind to give Lawson much latitude if he doesn't get immediately on the pace.

It was mentioned somewhere in commentary that both Lawson AND Ricciardo have signed some type of contract extension to keep them in the fold for now. The Lawson one is understandable as his commitment to Red Bull apparently ended after Baku. You would have thought Ricciardo was contracted at least to the end of this season though. Maybe the commentator mis-spoke, or maybe they have firmed Ricciardo up should they still need him for Perez or in 2025 somewhere.

Horner's reticence towards Lawson has to be unsettling for him. Certainly none of the other new drivers for 2025 have had to jump through so many hoops. All Lawson can do is nail it unequivocally if he gets a shot to impress this season, it seems like he's got little choice but to do so if he wants a longer-term deal.

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#3285062 22-Sep-2024 14:25

The crazy thing too is Red Bull isn't the standout car everyone on the grid would sell a kidney for anymore.

I think they've found some answers to their problems lately, enough to let Max keep the drivers title, but it's funny how some teams make out like they're highly important.

Lawson may have actually done himself a disservice by staying with Red Bull development team as long as he has.

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#3285194 22-Sep-2024 18:59

Jaxson:

but it's funny how some teams make out like they're highly important.

Lawson may have actually done himself a disservice by staying with Red Bull development team as long as he has.

I haven't seen that re Red Bull. Once it was settled that they are 3rd or 4th, thats what they are. They are a top 4 team, so they can be a threat. If they resolve some issues, then they will be a threat.

Liam, being in a top team is huge. Is it THE team? Who knows, all top teams and others have been in the limelight, but him staying with Red Bull is a solid choice. Alonso is the classic example, moved teams and each move never worked out. Lawson will drive the rest of the season, and IMHO, bias aside he will out perform Yuki. Perez is on a short straw, he isnt the future as Horner mentioned "the future" When Liam filled in, he had no experience in that car. Last minute fill-in. Some tracks he had not raced on, but he out performed Yuki. Last races this season should I hope set him up. At the very least a full time VCARB in 2025.

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#3285195 22-Sep-2024 19:03

Tonight

McLaren 1-2

Max second as he will probably lead lap1 as Lando has lost every pole he has had (5 I think). RBR seems less finicky right now. Oscar probably 2nd or 3rd, the undercut will be key to him and Max

George is more solid than Lewis so him 3rd, Lewis 4th

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#3285213 22-Sep-2024 20:14

Max to pull a big one out of the bag and get the W tonight. He is royally peed off about the situation with the FIA and its sanctions for swearing, I think he's going to find a way to win and remind MBS who cracks the whip.

1/. Max
2/. Lando
3/. Lewis

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#3285299 23-Sep-2024 07:49

Good race for McLaren and Max held his place well. Danny Ric stealing the fastest lap at the end may have been his swansong. Pretty average race to watch overall

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#3285371 23-Sep-2024 09:39

Daniel Ricciardo is 35 years old. He's had a pretty good run really, but I think needs the right car to really achieve.

The VCARB is a poor car for the most part so wasn't going to suit him very well. Looking back the move away from Red Bull because he was treated as the number 2 driver (like his manager Webber was too) was the beginning of the end. Renault was a crap outfit but he started to mould well there, but leaving them cast him as a flight risk who was chasing money. Then the poor performance at McLaren cast doubt on his ability to perform without a specific type of car. The McLaren was a piece of junk at the time, but the damage was done and Lando (who hadn't driven many other cars at that level to compare to was able to adjust his driving style to work better with the poor car.

Suddenly loss of faith that he'd stay as a driver mixed with strong doubts over his performance ability meant the end. The VCARB offer was a lifeline but frankly he didn't seize it. Sad to see him go, had real talent but that crap McLaren broke him.

Lando losing fastest lap means Verstappen can finish second to him at each of the remaining races this season, and still win the drivers’ title.

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#3285378 23-Sep-2024 10:02

Jaxson: The VCARB offer was a lifeline but frankly he didn't seize it.

It will be interesting to see if Lawson manages to do much with the VCARB. at the moment you'd have to seize it and choke it to death for maybe 9th or 10th. In one of the post race interviews Ricciardo more or less said if that was the future there was no point.

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#3285410 23-Sep-2024 12:28

Thought Verstappen might be able to do more with his grid position but fair play to Norris, he managed to hold the lead off the line and never really looked challenged other than a couple of close shaves with the walls.

I'm sure I saw somewhere that VCARB are intending to bolt some more Red Bull parts to their car before the end of the season to try and improve the performance. Has the potential to go very pear-shaped if they don't have the ducks in a row. The VCARB race strategy was abysmal again last night, seemed a stupid idea to put Tsunoda on softs when a set of hards through to the end of the race seemed the obvious play.

Looks like Lawson is going to get a go despite him being in the Marko camp in terms of the civil war at Red Bull and Horner not really rating him. I hope he can do enough to warrant a 2025 race contract but I'm really not sure at the moment. The car has gone backwards relative to many in the midfield and it's essential Lawson impresses. I hope he is assertive within the team and pushes his view on strategy if he feels he's not getting a fair shake in races.

Still think that Colapinto is Lawson's most immediate threat for 2025. The kid is making every post a winner so far and you get the impression Horner is already looking at how he can bring him across to the Red Bull family for next season. Albon is going to have his hands full, I'm not sure he expected the competition. I'll bet Vowles is also wondering if he's got his driver line-up right for next season.

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#3285431 23-Sep-2024 12:55

thermonuclear:
Still think that Colapinto is Lawson's most immediate threat for 2025. The kid is making every post a winner so far and you get the impression Horner is already looking at how he can bring him across to the Red Bull family for next season. Albon is going to have his hands full, I'm not sure he expected the competition. I'll bet Vowles is also wondering if he's got his driver line-up right for next season.

there is also Hadjar lurking,who's already in the RB camp

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#3285446 23-Sep-2024 14:17

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thermonuclear:

Still think that Colapinto is Lawson's most immediate threat for 2025. The kid is making every post a winner so far and you get the impression Horner is already looking at how he can bring him across to the Red Bull family for next season. Albon is going to have his hands full, I'm not sure he expected the competition. I'll bet Vowles is also wondering if he's got his driver line-up right for next season.

there is also Hadjar lurking,who's already in the RB camp

Colapinto is doing well, but RBR have another junior in the wings which makes the Hadjar question look like a looming issue too - Arvid Lindblad. He's the real deal and a Brit to boot, which might go some way to rebuilding some brand equity for having the audacity to outrace British drivers. I suspect the tone of coverage towards RBR would change dramatically if they had a Brit stepping into the breach post-Verstappen, at least into VCARB.

At the moment though, Hadjar finds himself in a similar boat to Lawson. Waiting around, while Sergio Perez acts like a sacred cow and certain factions in Red Bull run a protection racket. Worth noting Perez's degree of underperformance in the top flight team is far harder to justify than Danny Ric in the VCARB's - who by comparison has been just slower than he would have liked - while Perez has been an incident-magnet.

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#3285464 23-Sep-2024 14:41

Perez had another awful race, now McLaren are 41 points ahead. Consistency wins championships, and Perez is consistently on average not performing.

I think his seat is also about to be given to someone, you might find 2 new faces in the Redbull camps, Lawson being one of them. If this was a sport based on talant you'd put Yuki in Perez seat and bring in 2 new Junior drivers into VCARB.

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