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#2737360 1-Jul-2021 15:47

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Handle9: Is it really that much of a surprise? It was pretty clearly signalled they would play around with the teams over these 3 games. They've done it a bit more than might have been expected for the first game but Tonga are pretty weak.

Not that much of a surprise, but to bring guys from bolter to starting a match isn't very common. Usually, they introduce new guys off the bench.

As you say, Tonga aren't the strongest team and some experimentation is good, though if it's a scrappy affair, there will be cries about the coaches ad infinitum :(

The team had a pretty average year so there'll be pressure on the coaches. That's how it goes when you appoint unconvincing coaches through a crappy process.

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#2737424 1-Jul-2021 16:15

Based on the Tongan team if the All Blacks can start fast then they should win by a 100.

If a slow start then win by 70 to 80.

This could be as boring to watch as the shield game last night.

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#2737738 2-Jul-2021 09:21

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The team had a pretty average year so there'll be pressure on the coaches. That's how it goes when you appoint unconvincing coaches through a crappy process.

It's ridiculous for anyone reasonable to judge any team or any coach off the back of a 2020 performance. It's also stupid for the average fan to expect that not only should we wildly innovate so we can be and stay number 1 in the world, but in the process of doing that, we can't take a step backwards, lose any matches, and must win by a margin of 30 points every week with perfect performances by every player. Honestly, NZ fans make me cringe sometimes. We need to grow up a lot.

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#2737742 2-Jul-2021 09:25

Caleb Clarke only makes the travelling reserves for the Olympics. I am not surprised after seeing him play, he was OK at best in the matches I saw, somewhat off his blockbusting 15's best. I don't think he adjusted to the format as quickly as he might have liked, and with less experience... But with the high attrition rates in 7's he could potentially still get some reasonable game time. I do hope he can make a decent contribution.

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#2737950 2-Jul-2021 14:35

I find Ian Foster easier to watch being interviewed than Steve Hansen. He is a bit more effusive and open, and a little more upbeat. Steve Hansen could deliver a zinger and was good for a laugh from time to time. I'd like to see him succeed and prove the nay-sayers wrong if I am honest.

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#2737957 2-Jul-2021 14:43

Jas777:

Based on the Tongan team if the All Blacks can start fast then they should win by a 100.

If a slow start then win by 70 to 80.

This could be as boring to watch as the shield game last night.

I like to see the AB's score lots of tries, but this feels very onsided. I think the commentary that we won't learn anything about this match, or the next two, are probably mostly true, but not learning anything and not getting anything out of them, is two different things.

Three things I'd like to see:

1) Discipline - Something the AB's have been very poor at in recent times.

2) Intensity in the collision. On attack and Defense.

3) Accuracy. Particularly in defense, but execution of passes, presenting of the ball for the first receiver and in clean outs.

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#2737967 2-Jul-2021 15:00

networkn:
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The team had a pretty average year so there'll be pressure on the coaches. That's how it goes when you appoint unconvincing coaches through a crappy process.

It's ridiculous for anyone reasonable to judge any team or any coach off the back of a 2020 performance. It's also stupid for the average fan to expect that not only should we wildly innovate so we can be and stay number 1 in the world, but in the process of doing that, we can't take a step backwards, lose any matches, and must win by a margin of 30 points every week with perfect performances by every player. Honestly, NZ fans make me cringe sometimes. We need to grow up a lot.

Why is it ridiculous to judge any team of 2020? It wasn't the same as a normal year but equally the performance wasn't particularly good.

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#2738300 3-Jul-2021 11:02

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Why is it ridiculous to judge any team of 2020? It wasn't the same as a normal year but equally the performance wasn't particularly good.

Because it's entirely reasonable to give the benefit of the doubt, that one was caused by the other.

For the record, I am not saying the performances weren't pretty poor at times, just that I wouldn't read too much into it.

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#2738525 3-Jul-2021 19:48

networkn:
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Why is it ridiculous to judge any team of 2020? It wasn't the same as a normal year but equally the performance wasn't particularly good.

Because it's entirely reasonable to give the benefit of the doubt, that one was caused by the other.

For the record, I am not saying the performances weren't pretty poor at times, just that I wouldn't read too much into it.

If it's the same problems that have been there since 2017 then criticism is entirely warranted. The whole pitch of this coaching team was continuity.

It's not like Foster was a compelling candidate in the first place. He hasn't yet shown a reason to be given the benefit of the doubt.

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#2738554 3-Jul-2021 22:04

The refeerring decision in the MAB game regarding the head contact was the best refereeing I have seen this year regarding head contact. It wasn't anything other than a total accidental set of circumstances and was treated as such. Fantastic.

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#2738572 3-Jul-2021 22:14

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The refeerring decision in the MAB game regarding the head contact was the best refereeing I have seen this year regarding head contact. It wasn't anything other than a total accidental set of circumstances and was treated as such. Fantastic.

The decision was totally incorrect under the high tackle framework. It was clear head contact with force. It should have been mitigated down 1 level (red to yellow or yellow to penalty). A high tackle can only be mitigated down one level. There is no requirement for intent.

The New Zealand interpretation of the high tackle framework is a bit farcical. Ash Dixon clearly committed a red card offense in the super rugby final. Any northern hemisphere or South African referee would have given that a red card.

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#2738625 4-Jul-2021 10:31

Handle9:
networkn:

The refeerring decision in the MAB game regarding the head contact was the best refereeing I have seen this year regarding head contact. It wasn't anything other than a total accidental set of circumstances and was treated as such. Fantastic.

The decision was totally incorrect under the high tackle framework. It was clear head contact with force. It should have been mitigated down 1 level (red to yellow or yellow to penalty). A high tackle can only be mitigated down one level. There is no requirement for intent.

The New Zealand interpretation of the high tackle framework is a bit farcical. Ash Dixon clearly committed a red card offense in the super rugby final. Any northern hemisphere or South African referee would have given that a red card.

The Tackler had no control over the outcome at all. He was making a correct tackle, obvious wrap, height was correct. The 'tackled' player slipped over and fell, and in the timeframes it would have been near impossible for an adjustment from the tackler to avoid it.

In my opinion the framework didn't apply at all there was no tackle.

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#2738660 4-Jul-2021 14:46

networkn:
Handle9:

The decision was totally incorrect under the high tackle framework. It was clear head contact with force. It should have been mitigated down 1 level (red to yellow or yellow to penalty). A high tackle can only be mitigated down one level. There is no requirement for intent.

The New Zealand interpretation of the high tackle framework is a bit farcical. Ash Dixon clearly committed a red card offense in the super rugby final. Any northern hemisphere or South African referee would have given that a red card.

The Tackler had no control over the outcome at all. He was making a correct tackle, obvious wrap, height was correct. The 'tackled' player slipped over and fell, and in the timeframes it would have been near impossible for an adjustment from the tackler to avoid it.

In my opinion the framework didn't apply at all there was no tackle.

Lol. It doesn't matter. There was contact with the head. The framework applies and there is no discretion in its application.

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#2738668 4-Jul-2021 15:47

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Lol. It doesn't matter. There was contact with the head. The framework applies and there is no discretion in its application.

Lol obviously the professional referees think there is.

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#2738669 4-Jul-2021 15:51

And here is the link to the framework that shows that the referee got the call right.

https://rugbyreferee.net/2021/03/11/new-head-contact-process-unveiled-by-world-rugby/

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