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#3413456 10-Sep-2025 15:54

Doing a daily Google for McLaren, it seems to be going viral as to comments from those in the sport, even seeing some Brits, DC was one who disagrees with all this

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#3413500 10-Sep-2025 19:08

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the even more stupider strategy is not changing to new power units when you are already at the back

Perhaps. From what I can see Hadjar took his 4th and final "legal" PU at the Dutch GP. He then took a 5th one for Monza. Meanwhile Lawson had already taken a 5th PU all the way back at the Canadian GP, so he's gone through engines at a fair rate of knots compared to Hadjar. They go into the pool for each driver and are presumably changed out and run as refurbished units as the season progresses.

Don't know if Lawson could have taken a 6th PU for Monza, whether Honda had a new one available for him, or if there are enough garage crew to change out both cars in the time available? Maybe it was a budget cap issue? Potentially a bit of favouritism was shown to Hadjar though, or he got the new engine because he'd used less than Lawson up to that point?

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#3413629 11-Sep-2025 08:15

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Perhaps. From what I can see Hadjar took his 4th and final "legal" PU at the Dutch GP. He then took a 5th one for Monza. Meanwhile Lawson had already taken a 5th PU all the way back at the Canadian GP, so he's gone through engines at a fair rate of knots compared to Hadjar. They go into the pool for each driver and are presumably changed out and run as refurbished units as the season progresses.

Don't know if Lawson could have taken a 6th PU for Monza, whether Honda had a new one available for him, or if there are enough garage crew to change out both cars in the time available? Maybe it was a budget cap issue? Potentially a bit of favouritism was shown to Hadjar though, or he got the new engine because he'd used less than Lawson up to that point?

I think there is definite favouritism towards Hadjar, he has been overperforming while Lawson, I don't see him getting another year in the Vcarb if he continues like this. i really hope I'm wrong but I am told F1 is a ruthless sport and that there are 2 guys with superlicences in Red Bull who are wanting to drive. I hope they give Lawson another year. Sargeant didn't even last one year but his results were quite a bit worse than Liam's. the only reason I can thnk of them not installing a new PU is cost. but as you said Liam already using his current PU since forever, so he's going to need a 6th regardless. should have taken it this race. his loss of previous PU were due to PU failures not his fault.

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#3414302 12-Sep-2025 19:12

Hadjar did the no safety cars default/best strategy: hard for 30 odd laps, medium for 20 odd and overcut every driver that gambled on safety cars (which was half the field)

Lawson gambled on there being a safety car starting on the softs

As to who picked the strat for each driver, who knows - but probably a mix of team/engineer/driver.

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#3416174 19-Sep-2025 10:26

Looking forward to this race. RBR21 made actual improvements, rather than a lucky setup last race, and they are not averse to reducing the rear wing a tad, and last FP3 they adjusted the front wing and found a good balance

While I dont see Max repeating Monza, I can see him right in the mix, or nipping at the heels at worst in Baku. That will provide extra pressure for Oscar and Lando if Max split them, points wise

8pm FP1, thats handy!

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#3416176 19-Sep-2025 10:32

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Looking forward to this race. RBR21 made actual improvements, rather than a lucky setup last race, and they are not averse to reducing the rear wing a tad, and last FP3 they adjusted the front wing and found a good balance

While I dont see Max repeating Monza, I can see him right in the mix, or nipping at the heels at worst in Baku. That will provide extra pressure for Oscar and Lando if Max split them, points wise

8pm FP1, thats handy!

Yep I like the Baku track, lets hope for some good racing. GP at 11pm sunday is not awful either!

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#3416199 19-Sep-2025 11:12

Sounds like Hadjar has the demotion to Red Bull next season.
Question will be had Liam done enough to stay at Racing Balls and in F1 altogether. Dude's had the longest job interview and trial probation period ever!
Think I saw Arvid Lindblad's Campos team have announced the signing of Nikola Tsolov for the 2026 season, so wouldn't be surprised if he was on his way into a Racing Balls seat, leaving Liam or Yuki.
That's not a bad situation as the Honda connection with Yuki won't be there in Red Bull next year.

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#3416203 19-Sep-2025 11:28

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Sounds like Hadjar has the demotion to Red Bull next season.
Question will be had Liam done enough to stay at Racing Balls and in F1 altogether. Dude's had the longest job interview and trial probation period ever!
Think I saw Arvid Lindblad's Campos team have announced the signing of Nikola Tsolov for the 2026 season, so wouldn't be surprised if he was on his way into a Racing Balls seat, leaving Liam or Yuki.
That's not a bad situation as the Honda connection with Yuki won't be there in Red Bull next year.

Read some rumours lance stroll was hating racing and Yuki could go to AM with Alonso. Not sure on accuracy

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#3416206 19-Sep-2025 11:32

Jaxson:

Sounds like Hadjar has the demotion to Red Bull next season.
Question will be had Liam done enough to stay at Racing Balls and in F1 altogether. Dude's had the longest job interview and trial probation period ever!
Think I saw Arvid Lindblad's Campos team have announced the signing of Nikola Tsolov for the 2026 season, so wouldn't be surprised if he was on his way into a Racing Balls seat, leaving Liam or Yuki.
That's not a bad situation as the Honda connection with Yuki won't be there in Red Bull next year.

I think Liam has done enough. Looked good when he did two stints pre 2025. Got battered by Red Bull since, and has recovered nicely

Yuki must be out, he has peaked, he wont improve based on his years of experience

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#3416349 19-Sep-2025 13:19

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Read some rumours lance stroll was hating racing and Yuki could go to AM with Alonso. Not sure on accuracy

Could work with the honda connection.
Always imagined Max making the journey there eventually, but everyone's holding fire a bit now to see what 2026 brings.
Remember how badly Mercedes navigated this current era of regulations for example.
Keen to see what Newey can cook up there.

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#3416450 19-Sep-2025 19:09

Jaxson:

Question will be had Liam done enough to stay at Racing Balls and in F1 altogether.

Liam has hinted in a few recent interviews that "his future is in another F1 team". This could be interpreted as 1 - he doesn't want to be demoted to Red Bull again but he has an option to continue in Racing Bulls or 2 - he doesn't think or he has been told he's not getting a contract next year at Racing Bulls and this is it

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#3416451 19-Sep-2025 19:10

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Jaxson:

Sounds like Hadjar has the demotion to Red Bull next season.
Question will be had Liam done enough to stay at Racing Balls and in F1 altogether. Dude's had the longest job interview and trial probation period ever!
Think I saw Arvid Lindblad's Campos team have announced the signing of Nikola Tsolov for the 2026 season, so wouldn't be surprised if he was on his way into a Racing Balls seat, leaving Liam or Yuki.
That's not a bad situation as the Honda connection with Yuki won't be there in Red Bull next year.

Read some rumours lance stroll was hating racing and Yuki could go to AM with Alonso. Not sure on accuracy

No way. Lance loves racing in F1. He's got a contract with his dad too.

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#3416520 19-Sep-2025 23:49

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Jaxson:

Sounds like Hadjar has the demotion to Red Bull next season.
Question will be had Liam done enough to stay at Racing Balls and in F1 altogether. Dude's had the longest job interview and trial probation period ever!
Think I saw Arvid Lindblad's Campos team have announced the signing of Nikola Tsolov for the 2026 season, so wouldn't be surprised if he was on his way into a Racing Balls seat, leaving Liam or Yuki.
That's not a bad situation as the Honda connection with Yuki won't be there in Red Bull next year.

I think Liam has done enough. Looked good when he did two stints pre 2025. Got battered by Red Bull since, and has recovered nicely

Yuki must be out, he has peaked, he wont improve based on his years of experience

I agree that Lawson has probably done enough to retain his seat next season. I'd put it at a 70/30 percentage if I had to put a number on it. He was desperately unlucky with how the Sainz collision played out, he really should have banked another 8-10 points in that race and the team will fully understand that he was probably robbed of his best finish.

My feeling is still that the four drivers will all stay in their current seats for the start of 2026. It's going to be a completely new Red Bull package and Mekies in particular will know what Tsunoda is capable of. Not that he necessarily has the final say on seats, but he has been making every post a winner as TP at Red Bull and I think his opinion will carry some weight.

Plus, I'm not sure that they really want to promote Hadjar because of the inevitable crap they will get for putting another driver next to Max too early. There will no doubt be some interest in wanting to break that cycle after all the failures. Despite Marko saying Hadjar is different, think he said similar about Lawson too. Then there's the underwhelming Lindblad who is doing next to nothing to deserve a 2026 promotion to F1. The guy has been average, 7th in the standings behind his teammate, never far from an incident. Got sent to NZ to win the soft Formula Regional title like a heavyweight boxer trying to pad his record. Still looks highly overrated by a biased British press.

Lawson looked slippery in FP1 earlier this evening, sounded like he was happy with the balance on slicks all session, hopefully a portent of good things for him this weekend.

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#3416858 21-Sep-2025 01:55

This Baku qualifying is crazy!

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#3416859 21-Sep-2025 02:15

What an awesome result for Lawson, the beneficiary of a bit of luck for sure but that's motor racing. Incredibly happy for him and all his supporters, hope he can bank some big points tomorrow.

Great week for the Hastings sportsmen with Geordie Beamish as well.

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