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#914427 13-Oct-2013 19:55

Funny now switching to a faster motorsport race where they spend the middle half of the race just coasting around so they have enough fuel left to race properly again in the last 10 laps....

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#914431 13-Oct-2013 20:04

davidcole: I was pretty happy with coverage off v8supercars.com.au. Not bad at all for $15AUD.

Couple of spots the stream degenerated, but it always seemed to pick up. I saw people from Oz complaining about the number of ads on the 7 coverage.

Wasn't anywhere near as bad for ads as it has been.

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#914553 14-Oct-2013 09:09

I started to watch it on justin.tv. picture was soft but quite watchable . I sent it to my TV via Chromecast. After about 90 minutes I gave up as i could stand the 10~15 second audio lag behind the picture any longer..

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#914676 14-Oct-2013 11:22

davidcole: I was pretty happy with coverage off v8supercars.com.au. Not bad at all for $15AUD.

Couple of spots the stream degenerated, but it always seemed to pick up. I saw people from Oz complaining about the number of ads on the 7 coverage.

Same here - was well impressed with it....great alternative, zero ads, decent image, and best of all not having to line Sky's pockets!!! Wooo hooo....

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#914709 14-Oct-2013 11:55

E3xtc:
davidcole: I was pretty happy with coverage off v8supercars.com.au. Not bad at all for $15AUD.

Couple of spots the stream degenerated, but it always seemed to pick up. I saw people from Oz complaining about the number of ads on the 7 coverage.

Same here - was well impressed with it....great alternative, zero ads, decent image, and best of all not having to line Sky's pockets!!! Wooo hooo....

Mine only seemed to use about 2.5 - 3 gb for the day (4mbps line speed)

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#914715 14-Oct-2013 11:57

We're going to have an ongoing problem with many sports if organisers adhere to the traditional method of selling the entire rights as one bundle. Presumably you get the most money for your product this way, but I wonder if you get the most exposure of it though.

We either make a decisive change to purchase sports rights via our free to air channels, which probably means tax payer money goes into it, or we risk it going to pay per view. Where I've traditionally complained is that there is no competition for sky but to some degree, even if there was, we'd still be stuck with only one provider having all the content. Thinking about it now, this is actually due to the rights holder selling them as a complete single package to just one provider.

The alternative would be to open it up to multiple providers across multiple delivery technology options. This is something you would do if you wanted to make your product as widely accessible as possible. Given you probably wouldn't make as much money, this may not work, but it would then switch to an added value situation. for example: Free to air, but riddled with ads, pay to view with no adds, HD on top of that no doubt, or stream at lower resolution etc. A similar example would be when Maori got the rights to some world cup rugby games and many people actually watched those feeds due to the better commentary.

I guess I'm saying SKY's not necessarily the bad guy here, which you won't here me say that often ;-)

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#914724 14-Oct-2013 12:12

Jaxson: We're going to have an ongoing problem with many sports if organisers adhere to the traditional method of selling the entire rights as one bundle. Presumably you get the most money for your product this way, but I wonder if you get the most exposure of it though.

We either make a decisive change to purchase sports rights via our free to air channels, which probably means tax payer money goes into it, or we risk it going to pay per view. Where I've traditionally complained is that there is no competition for sky but to some degree, even if there was, we'd still be stuck with only one provider having all the content. Thinking about it now, this is actually due to the rights holder selling them as a complete single package to just one provider.

The alternative would be to open it up to multiple providers across multiple delivery technology options. This is something you would do if you wanted to make your product as widely accessible as possible. Given you probably wouldn't make as much money, this may not work, but it would then switch to an added value situation. for example: Free to air, but riddled with ads, pay to view with no adds, HD on top of that no doubt, or stream at lower resolution etc. A similar example would be when Maori got the rights to some world cup rugby games and many people actually watched those feeds due to the better commentary.

I guess I'm saying SKY's not necessarily the bad guy here, which you won't here me say that often ;-)

I think the big problem is sky run around saying, we don't restrict anyone on SVOD rights....but this was a clear case of "Anyone in the world can buy our product, except New Zealand who must contact sky sports" - as the V8Supercars site listed.

Not sure who that makes as the bad guy, but pretty sure it's sky.

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#914738 14-Oct-2013 12:31

davidcole:

I think the big problem is sky run around saying, we don't restrict anyone on SVOD rights....but this was a clear case of "Anyone in the world can buy our product, except New Zealand who must contact sky sports" - as the V8Supercars site listed.

Not sure who that makes as the bad guy, but pretty sure it's sky.

If they do indeed say this, then yes, that clearly fell flat in this instance.

I've said many times before that I'm quite prepared to pay for the content, but not the stupid business approaches that it gets wrapped up in. Having no competition allows SKY to restrict HD content to those who must first purchase a base subscription, and add on for sports, and add on for an HD capable device and an add on for the HD format.

NZ is repeatedly screwed on online streaming offerings, regularly being geo blocked with no alternative solution available for our location.

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#914760 14-Oct-2013 13:00

Jaxson,

The model SKY uses isn't that much different to what is used overseas (not that I am saying it is the best model available). The big difference between SKY and other PAYTV networks is that SKY have the same channel but it can be HD or SD (and you purchase HD ticket if want HD) whereas overseas they have seperate HD and SD channels and you purchase those in the packages you buy.

I was just recently in the US and there was debate over the pay for what you want model v pay a set fee model. One thing that did come out of it was the feeling that if it went to pay for want you want model then some content would dissappear and there would be a big move back to mainstream and only most profitable content would be shown. In the case of SKY in NZ they would move back to core sports only and ditch less profitable ones. Of course the FTA networks wouldn't want them either as no advertising revenue.

The online rights is a very interesting debate as in the US online is normally really only done when you live in different city to where the team you support comes from and it is the only way to watch them. If you live in same city then the game has a online blackout.

The bathurst issue is just as much V8 supercars as SKY as the exclusive rights would be way more revenue for them and the exlcusive rights for the season would generate more revenue than people buying 1 off package to Bathurst.

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#914779 14-Oct-2013 13:37

For comparison and general info..

Seven Australia who broadcast it FTA loaded with totalspan adverts re-signed for a 2yr contract this season @ $18m/ season. Previously it was 3 years @ $36m (presumably australian)

Sky was 5seconds behind the uplinked world feed off D2, which also included the Porshe GT Cup and V8 ute coverage (which would have been a nice bonus to be included on sky)

The D2 feed we were watching wasn't in HD... and going by the pic on SkyHD regardless of their claims I suspect it may not have been either as it was actually quite comparable to a non DVBS2/HD sat decoder feed. *shrug*

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#914801 14-Oct-2013 13:57

Was there a FTA HD uplink option on D2? I think I read that back a bit, for those with DVB-S2 capability.

Reason being, if there is regular use of this on D2 I might look at getting a cheap DVB-S2 receiver and re using the dormant ex sky satellite dish on my roof. To be fair, even a standard satellite SD feed would have been preferable to the online streaming which dropped out repeatedly if I opted for the higher bandwidth option.

Yes this distribution models are tricky, and it's a complex area. Personally I'd be ok with SKY holding the mainstream items only if this allowed me to pick the mostly minority sports I want to watch from online suppliers. Presently there is a blackout of online options, and I think the rugby sevens was in the same boat actually, as the web page link sent me to SKY TV NZ. We definitely do seem to be region locked when SKY have the main rights.

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#914806 14-Oct-2013 14:05

I didn't search it myself (preset transponder usually always fires up) but it appears there was 4 feeds, at least 1 if not 2 of them in 4:2:2

Apsattv might be able to chime in here, but from his sources:
D2 12447 V Sr 6670 "Globecast OZ"
D2 12638 V Sr 15000
D2 12656 V Sr 15000 "V8_superview"
D2 12675 V Sr 15000 "Globecast OZ

Its up and down at present. There have been rounds with nothing on D2, as the uplinks were often on Intelesat. And sometimes on D2

Previously through the last 2 seasons we thought we had seen the end of getting it here in NZ off a free source at all. But for bathurst we were in luck.

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#914807 14-Oct-2013 14:08

Thanks, that's the vibe I'd heard.
I'd given up on satellite as a supply medium as more content was either re routed via other mediums, or moved to birds we couldn't easily see. 4:2:2 is an issue also as you're rather limited with gear that can work with that.
By all accounts the official online streaming options were pretty good, once you gained access to them.

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#914873 14-Oct-2013 16:04

davidcole:
I think the big problem is sky run around saying, we don't restrict anyone on SVOD rights....but this was a clear case of "Anyone in the world can buy our product, except New Zealand who must contact sky sports" - as the V8Supercars site listed.

Not sure who that makes as the bad guy, but pretty sure it's sky.

This point seems to relate to this thread:

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=106&topicid=131079

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#998040 3-Mar-2014 11:30

(even thought its early) This year i'll be streaming in HD to some host - not sure which one but i will be doing so. ill post a link to my stream later this year.

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