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#3060747 9-Apr-2023 17:41

thermonuclear:

I'm not sure the point you are trying to make here, tdgeek? Are you suggesting Verstappen and RBR are not getting their due from the Geekzone F1 fans?

To be fair and honest I wil reply to the above, while not having read the rest of your post, which I will do

Disclosure: Im a Red Bull fan via Mark Webber, but overall Im a F1 fan.

Since 2014 hybrid era there has been a LOT of Mercedes/Lewis fandom. Not surprising as both haven been magnificent. I have bagged Lewis as I have bagged Seb and Max and others (in their rookie period). But what I see is if I cant watch a race and there are loads of posts , then either Lewis won or Max dipped out. hIf there are literally no posts, Max won. Thats what Ive seen over the hybrid period years.

Unsure why

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#3060748 9-Apr-2023 17:44

hairy1: I follow Liam pretty closely. Motorsport.tv have all the quali's and races. Annual plan is $50 USD. Apps for all major platforms. English commentary.

Cheers for that. Where has Armstrong gone? Thought he was in Indycar? I watched a replay today, Callum Illot was in th4e Texas race

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#3069798 1-May-2023 08:30

Enjoyed the new Sprint weekend format, less boring FP's and more racing

Race itself wasn't exciting, could have been if Lewis was able to get closer to Sainz and Alonso was able to get closer to LeClerc

Miami this weekend, new track, street track could be good

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#3069862 1-May-2023 09:57

I thought having quali before sprint quali was a bit silly. And parc ferme so early IMO hurts the lower placed teams rather than the higher placed ones as they are the ones more likely to be struggling with setup etc.

Better way to do it IMO would be: Fri - FP1, SQ, then parc ferme after this.

Sat - Quali, then Sprint

Sun - Race

Also the short time & single set of tyres in SQ3 means the second run is almost always going to be slower, which is not very exciting. Perhaps if they mandated a harder compound that takes a few laps to get to it's best might make it more interesting, don't imagine the drivers would like that much though.

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#3069873 1-May-2023 10:48

Yep a few things to tweak, Karun suggested to relax Parc Ferme. No you cannot change engine etc but go for gold with setup tweaks (wings, stiffness, etc)

I liked that each session meant something

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#3069970 1-May-2023 13:24

"Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff admitted following Sunday’s Azerbaijan Grand Prix that the sport urgently needed to find a way to improve the show, describing the race as “boring”, with Red Bull’s cars “sailing off into the sunset” "

Quite funny...and ironic

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#3069976 1-May-2023 13:42

The sport is full of contradictions and irony, team principles and top drivers only have a 7 second memory by the looks of it.

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#3069977 1-May-2023 13:43

That race was dull. Red Bull has clearly done the best job and deserves to be at the front. But at least in other races there has been some interesting battles futher down the field. Personally, I think the weekend peaked at Friday qualifying. Sprint qualifying seemed like deja vu all over again. Some interest in Verstappen vs Russell in the sprint race (and post race handbags) but then the feature race was just more of the same again with very little happening.

Commentators and media (The Race) are suggesting that 2023 gen cars are back to throwing off more dirty air, and are harder to follow than the 2022 gen.

Bias disclaimer: I'm a McLaren fan, which means that I find Toto and Christian equally annoying. And very much regret my choice to get up at 5 am for the replay.

BTW. I thought Karun Chandhok did a great job on the co-comms. Not Martin Brundle obv, but a very worthy stand-in. Jenson Button did a good job too in Melbourne (I think it was Melbourne?).

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#3069978 1-May-2023 13:49

Yep MDF, I agree... but then its been a long time since F1 was actually fully engaging down the field but this race, even the midfield was poor. The engineers did predict that '23 cars would likely cause more turbulence by design as their clever brains got around the rule limitations and it does appear so.. although we do kinda need to ignore mercedes from the following part as their car is just a bit shite and couldn't outdrag the Aston with DRS once out of the slipstream..

What might make this interesting is whether Perez can maintain a closer performance with Max on other circuits as Max doesn't look that comfortable when under direct pressure... We may have a rosberg/hamilton but without the full blown handbags.

The damage to Max's car for the sprint showed just how vulnerable these modern cars are still to their aero compared to my younger years watching (very early 90s).

And finally its been 30 years since Roland passed. I was watching that entire weekend on BBC in the UK and remember clearly his crash as well as Sennas the same weekend.

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#3069979 1-May-2023 13:50

Yeah. My irony was that RBR don't have a car thats 2 secs faster than anything on one lap, they also don't top out the speed trap. Baku with its tight corners and 2.2km straight is an outlier, hopefully Miami is more interesting as the way the cars were last race, its probably closer than Baku showed. On a positive note Ferrari seem a bit better, as do Mercedes, Aston still there, and McLaren were looking pretty sharp early on in the weekend

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#3069984 1-May-2023 14:00

tdgeek:

Yeah. My irony was that RBR don't have a car thats 2 secs faster than anything on one lap, they also don't top out the speed trap. Baku with its tight corners and 2.2km straight is an outlier, hopefully Miami is more interesting as the way the cars were last race, its probably closer than Baku showed. On a positive note Ferrari seem a bit better, as do Mercedes, Aston still there, and McLaren were looking pretty sharp early on in the weekend

oh I know, I find Toto amusing when he fails to recollect 2014... I just find Christian even worse... I think Gunther is my favourite due to his general straight talking.

I think the RBR is still the fastest in med/high corners now and with its amazing DRS will be a lot faster than the Ferrari who will no doubt self implode yet again... with Mercedes wallowing somewhere around 5/6 depending on Aston.

I'm looking forward to Imola though to see what Mercedes have done... Lewis was saying how they can't wait as its a 'brand' new start for them... expect to see massive upgrades and a different direction... they are just so draggy compared to their peers and look to have poor low speed grip.

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#3069995 1-May-2023 14:38

yeah. RBR in the past when they were winning was slow, but excellent balance and mechanical and aero grip. Today its not got the best power but up there, Ferrari apparently is the most powerful. As the saying goes, Id rather not be 10/10 in anything, but 9/10 in everything. The inherent design is pretty awesome. I "think" that RBR runs a little less wing to help the top end speed, but if they have a well balanced car they can absorb that. yes, I'm a RBR fan but I look at it for excellence, Mercedes 2014 was a V8 against V6's. Good on the engine people, but nailing part 1 shouldn't take care of average parts 2, 3 and 4 IMO

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#3070064 1-May-2023 15:20

If you haven't already seen it, there is some detailed technical analysis of Red Bull's aerodynamics and ability to stall the rear of the car with a "triple DRS" effect on The Race website by Gary Anderson (ex Jordan and Stewart technical director) for top end speed:

https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-anderson-explains-red-bulls-triple-drs-trick/

There are some other articles on there about the extreme anti-dive and anti-squat characteristics of the suspension, which seems to be the key ingredient in the RB secret source. Yes, the suspension that Adrian Newey casually mentioned he was responsible at the start of 2022. #genius

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#3070120 1-May-2023 17:58

mdf:

If you haven't already seen it, there is some detailed technical analysis of Red Bull's aerodynamics and ability to stall the rear of the car with a "triple DRS" effect on The Race website by Gary Anderson (ex Jordan and Stewart technical director) for top end speed:

https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-anderson-explains-red-bulls-triple-drs-trick/

There are some other articles on there about the extreme anti-dive and anti-squat characteristics of the suspension, which seems to be the key ingredient in the RB secret source. Yes, the suspension that Adrian Newey casually mentioned he was responsible at the start of 2022. #genius

Just skimmed that in a rush, so its legal? (Will read detail later)

Assuming its legal, its great.

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#3070130 1-May-2023 18:46

I've not heard any suggestion that it's illegal. Though with F1 you never really know.

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