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#196785 12-Jun-2016 18:32
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At times, it can be quite embarrassing to be classed as an ex-Pat Brit. Especially when you see the footage of those pathetic tossers - those animals who just want to congregate together in the false excuse that they are there to support their international team. Just waiting for a fight.

 

The Russian supporters were not much better, again just itching for a fight.

 

And you can't even blame this on age and immaturity. Looking at the footage, people of all ages were just itching to get stuck in.

 

Sad, sad weekend for Euro soccer.


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  #1570600 12-Jun-2016 18:52
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I'm not going to defend the English fans, in general most just lager up during the day and as a result are primed ready for something to kick off, however it does appear that French and Russian ultra's are targeting the drunk English fans and goading them (including bottle throwing) in to responding, just look at what happened with the 200 or so Russian fans invading the English space in the stadium, despite there being children etc. present.

 

The N.Irish and the Polish where drinking fine together until the Russian Ultra's came in and targeted them too...

 

English beer culture is a double edged sword, on one side its great for social stuff and leads to great weekends, on the other side it has excessive binge drinking, violence and social disorder.  The English Fans may have kicked off later, but it certainly seems that they have been targeted.


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  #1570601 12-Jun-2016 18:55
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Low scoring game by rules/design and fanatic fans.
The reason why football hooliganism strikes that sport so hard is self-evident. They should change the rules - so that "we was robbed" has zero credibility, and the morons can be forced to expend their energy during the game in the stands.

 

Nothing makes rugby fans happier than a hard fought close game with plenty of scoring.  Now that is a beautiful game.


 
 
 
 


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  #1570604 12-Jun-2016 19:02
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It's called alcohol




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  #1570610 12-Jun-2016 19:18
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Fred99:

Low scoring game by rules/design and fanatic fans.
The reason why football hooliganism strikes that sport so hard is self-evident. They should change the rules - so that "we was robbed" has zero credibility, and the morons can be forced to expend their energy during the game in the stands.


Nothing makes rugby fans happier than a hard fought close game with plenty of scoring.  Now that is a beautiful game.


Agree. Can't see why a graduated points systems couldn't be introduced (goal within the box=1, outside the box=2, etc).
But football has always attracted/appealed toa different class of people than Rugby.
Have been in pub in the UK with their team losing, and giving the inreasing agression to anyone not a local have left early. On the other side have sat on the tailgate of a Discovery in the carpark having avdrink with locals before going into a rugby match....magic.

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  #1570706 12-Jun-2016 20:52
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oxnsox:
Fred99:

 

Low scoring game by rules/design and fanatic fans.
The reason why football hooliganism strikes that sport so hard is self-evident. They should change the rules - so that "we was robbed" has zero credibility, and the morons can be forced to expend their energy during the game in the stands.

 

 

 

Nothing makes rugby fans happier than a hard fought close game with plenty of scoring.  Now that is a beautiful game.

 


Agree. Can't see why a graduated points systems couldn't be introduced (goal within the box=1, outside the box=2, etc).
But football has always attracted/appealed toa different class of people than Rugby.
Have been in pub in the UK with their team losing, and giving the inreasing agression to anyone not a local have left early. On the other side have sat on the tailgate of a Discovery in the carpark having avdrink with locals before going into a rugby match....magic.

 

If football wants to be progressive they would have done a lot of things better a long time ago, but no. They want to keep its simplicity and the "human element" in it. [Read - easier to corrupt eh]

 

With all the money they have they won't have an extra ref or use video replays when a single call (eg offside or not, penalty kick or not) can mean a match's solitary goal is scored. Took them decades to approve "goal line technology".

 

What about bonus points for scoring more goals - nope. No way they will award TWO goals when only ONE is scored, no matter where from.

 

I ain't spending 3 hrs x 30 watching aimless swinging of boots!





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  #1570712 12-Jun-2016 20:56
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joker97: It's called alcohol

 

Ok I watched the news clips. Total hooligans. Apparently at least 4 nations' supporters were involved. I bet the English (or Russians?) started it. They have a pretty hard line, usually perpetrators are banned for life from attending any footy event. Sometimes footy teams of the hooligan are banned from competition for a year or more - but that's usually related to hooliganism within said stadiums.





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  #1570717 12-Jun-2016 21:07
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joker97:

 

oxnsox:
Fred99:

 

Low scoring game by rules/design and fanatic fans.
The reason why football hooliganism strikes that sport so hard is self-evident. They should change the rules - so that "we was robbed" has zero credibility, and the morons can be forced to expend their energy during the game in the stands.

 

 

 

Nothing makes rugby fans happier than a hard fought close game with plenty of scoring.  Now that is a beautiful game.

 


Agree. Can't see why a graduated points systems couldn't be introduced (goal within the box=1, outside the box=2, etc).
But football has always attracted/appealed toa different class of people than Rugby.
Have been in pub in the UK with their team losing, and giving the inreasing agression to anyone not a local have left early. On the other side have sat on the tailgate of a Discovery in the carpark having avdrink with locals before going into a rugby match....magic.

 

If football wants to be progressive they would have done a lot of things better a long time ago, but no. They want to keep its simplicity and the "human element" in it. [Read - easier to corrupt eh]

 

With all the money they have they won't have an extra ref or use video replays when a single call (eg offside or not, penalty kick or not) can mean a match's solitary goal is scored. Took them decades to approve "goal line technology".

 

What about bonus points for scoring more goals - nope. No way they will award TWO goals when only ONE is scored, no matter where from.

 

I ain't spending 3 hrs x 30 watching aimless swinging of boots!

 

 

I don't understand this progressive thing?  The game is about tactics, breaking the opposition down, moving them around and into areas that they can't defend from, opening the game up to points based on distance or area the goal was scored would be against the fundamentals of the sport; I personally would hate football to be anything but it is in terms of the rules of the game.

 

The main purpose behind not using the technology is that for the most parts they try and keep the game as it would be at the grass roots level as it would be at the pro level.

 

You must also remember that football is played over the course of a season, so a win is 3 points, a draw is 1 point and a loss is 0 points... All that the 'bonus' goals would do is affect goal difference and that doesn't actually affect much normally.


 
 
 
 


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  #1570722 12-Jun-2016 21:24
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What does drinking have to do with sport or anything else? If you are there for the football you have no need to drink.

 

 





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  #1570724 12-Jun-2016 21:25
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Benoire:

 

 

 

I don't understand this progressive thing?  The game is about tactics, breaking the opposition down, moving them around and into areas that they can't defend from, opening the game up to points based on distance or area the goal was scored would be against the fundamentals of the sport; I personally would hate football to be anything but it is in terms of the rules of the game.

 

 

 

 

Progressive to catch up on cheating. For example

 

Tactic - get the ball into the penalty area, purposely run into defenders and roll around on the ground as soon as you kick the defender

 

Breaking the opposition down - taunt them until they touch you with their finger tips and then immediately get down on the ground and roll around as vigorously as possible

 

Move them into areas they can't defend from - dribble the ball near the penalty box, when the defender tackles you, get on the ground and roll around so that a direct free kick is awarded

 

But mainly getting decisions around penalty kicks, goals/fouls (eg handball), and offside

 

I don't buy the grassroots thing sorry. No other sport does that. Maybe we should time swimmers and 100m running with a stopwatch because of grassroots ...





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  #1570726 12-Jun-2016 21:26
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Rikkitic:

 

What does drinking have to do with sport or anything else? If you are there for the football you have no need to drink.

 

 

 

 

You haven't lived in the UK. Every weekend footy fans get drunk and leave a trail of destruction in their wake. I was suggesting perhaps they brought their standard approach into Paris.





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  #1571508 14-Jun-2016 10:30
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I think there needs to be some perspective in this thread.

 

I've been to hundreds of football matches in England and Europe following Arsenal and I have dozens of friends in France at the moment. I grew up in Leicester during the 80's and experienced my fair share of hooliganism in that time. I then went home and away with Arsenal between 98-2004 and I've been to games in France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Spain and Italy.

 

I cant stress this enough.....NEVER, EVER believe what you hear and see in the media about football fans and violence.

 

I've seen fighting. I've had friends stabbed in Copenhagen weeks after Galatasaray 'fans' murdered two Leeds United fans. I've been attacked by both Tottenham and Chelsea fans after games. I've seen people lose their jobs simply based on the media's twisted stories which had absolutely no truth to them at all. But these incidents are not the norm.

 

Are there mindless thugs spoiling for a fight ? Yes there are, but to say this sort of thing happens every week shows just how well the media spin it.

 

I've seen the good and the bad of the French police and I can tell you if there is a more trigger happy group in this world I have never met them. They do anything to antagonise football fans and any sort of reaction is met with tear gas. 

 

Don't get me wrong, there are English people in France looking for a scrap but to pin it all on them is ridiculous.


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  #1571520 14-Jun-2016 10:49
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Trust me as Security guard who works big rugby games their supporters can be just as violent when fueled with alcohol... It's time to toughen up on segregating the fans you sit over there and your there if you cross into there you'll be evicted simple as that and no you can't have a beer or wine why because it makes you lot idiots who can't control themselves  


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  #1571530 14-Jun-2016 11:01
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I would certainly vote for removing alcohol from these occasions and I don't understand why it wasn't done a long time ago. It is a shame for the majority who just want to enjoy a couple of beers with their game, but it isn't the end of the world. If you want to drink, go to a pub. If you want to watch football, go to the match. You don't have to have one to enjoy the other.

 

 





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  #1571594 14-Jun-2016 12:36
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Rikkitic: I would certainly vote for removing alcohol from these occasions and I don't understand why it wasn't done a long time ago. It is a shame for the majority who just want to enjoy a couple of beers with their game, but it isn't the end of the world. If you want to drink, go to a pub. If you want to watch football, go to the match. You don't have to have one to enjoy the other. 

 

Great, so now I have to pre-load to go to a football game?

 

Just kidding - I agree. People should be able to go out and watch live sport without needing to consume alcohol. And people should be able to go out and watch live sport without needing to put up with angry drunks. If you want to get drunk, go to a sports bar showing the match on TV, or better yet stay home and throw up in your own living room.


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  #1571600 14-Jun-2016 12:42
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You have to remember that Football in England was a working mans game and as such back when that term applied, football and beer where the general outlets for males who did hard labour work, so beer drinking and football went hand in hand... As time has progressed, that culture has remained and been cultivated to a fine degree and the drinking culture in the UK in general makes it easy to do, so you have a selection of fans who get beered up for each game and do whatever they like.

 

Rugby Union was the posh mans game in the UK and so was far more tempered by their upbringing and privileges and to this day that nice decorum still occurs where fans sit next to each other.  Rugby League on the other hand is the north of Englands working mans take on Union and is far more feral.


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