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#206042 7-Dec-2016 16:37

I like Ruiz. Tough, any hits he takes he doesnt flinch, his expression never changes, he keeps coming at you. But he is a boxer not a brawler. Bit of a machine I reckon. Never been down. Hope he is flabless on Saturday!

Watched some fights on YT. He counterpunches really well. Body shots well. He said that all of his fights he has less height and reach, that's his normal

Parker is good, but his Takam fight looked weak, he was tired. If he was like that against Ruiz the fight will be over. He hits well, he goes in for the kill when he tags his opponent with a good shot. Takam more or less took that, Parker tired.

I'm picking Parker due to match fixing, by decision. But I think Ruiz is better. Will Ruiz body shot and pressure him into fatigue, or will Parker land a few big ones. Can Ruiz take a hit to get within reach to body shot him every round?

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#1684068 7-Dec-2016 16:52

Tough, tough call on this one. I want Parker to win but am very impressed with Ruiz' ability. This is going to be one helluva fight. To win Parker's going to have to either try and keep Ruiz on the outside and outpoint him while looking for the big shots or chance the big shots (and tire) more frequently. Parker already has a psychological disadvantage in knowing how heavily Ruiz smacked him in a sparring session a few years back.

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#1684291 7-Dec-2016 21:34

Ive watched a few video reviews on YouTube. They all differ.

Parker

Weak defence, leaves chin exposed. Good offence. Good power, goes in for the kill. Stamina now is an unknown. Takam was the best fighter that either has fought, and Parker was all out to beat him. He gassed out. Takam has the same go forward as Ruiz, but Takam tires at the end of all his matches. So the Takam fight does give a clue, he needs to up the stamina. Parker tired and Takam always tires. Ruiz is better than Takam.

Ruiz

Also weak defence, but he protects his chin. Great hand speed. Good offence. Good power. Good counterpuncher. Can take a punch. Will go forward throughout the fight. Underrated. He tired in last fight, against Lawrence, he said he wasn't in best shape. Stamina should be very good now as he is in his first real training camp, and at altitude, and by a top top trainer now.

JP needs to stay away, jab, score points, he will be on the back foot, and that isn't pretty as per Takam fight. Height and reach are a huge help. AR needs to push forward, take some hits to be in range, and attack. he is big on body shots. I can see JP being on the back foot, and taking body shots, as something that might tell as they hit the later rounds. Consensus is Parker 60/40, some say 50/50. It might be all about stamina, whoever starts to fade a round or two before the other could be curtains. Consensus is Parker by KO in 10th to 12th round, or a decision as he should have more points racked up due to height and reach. Many say it will be a firefight, both fighting, rather then the usual hug and rest.

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#1685925 11-Dec-2016 00:18

The expected BS result. In NZ, Kiwi, Duco Events, yeah, Parker would obviously win.

Parker lost first 4 rounds easily. Next 2 were closer. Next was Ruiz. Always on back foot. Showed little benefit from a height and reach advantage. They both got shots in, what annoyed me was the cheers when ever Parker did anything. Expected bias I guess. What also annoyed me was the big smiles in the dressing room, AND after the match??? We know what boxing can be like. Orchestrated.

It wasnt the dour fight I expected, I expected one to tire first, the other the to win. They didn't tire, Ruiz didn't tire despite what the commentators said. I have to wonder what a heavyweight title match is like when they look like they can both go another 7? First even fight I've seen the the contenders finish relatively fresh.

Heh, twice in the buildup, they said Parkers road to the title. Oops. The the road to the title.

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#1685926 11-Dec-2016 00:27

Not sure why you would call it a BS result. I didn't watch the match, I watched live updates on the Herald, was a pretty close fight, they are obviously pretty evenly matched. Wasn't a dispute in the results, Parker Won by score-card decision. Are you saying the refs weren't impartial?

Not sure who you were expecting the home crowd to get behind or do ? Surely you'd expect the home crowd to support and cheer for Parker?

What was the result in your eyes?

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#1685927 11-Dec-2016 00:37

I agree, it was a BS result. It was a draw at best. (best from a Parker fan perspective)

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#1685928 11-Dec-2016 00:47

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Not sure why you would call it a BS result. I didn't watch the match, I watched live updates on the Herald, was a pretty close fight, they are obviously pretty evenly matched. Wasn't a dispute in the results, Parker Won by score-card decision. Are you saying the refs weren't impartial?

Not sure who you were expecting the home crowd to get behind or do ? Surely you'd expect the home crowd to support and cheer for Parker?

What was the result in your eyes?

Yeah off course the cheers go up when Parker does anything. The commentators biased as they were, saw a draw or 1 round up by Parker. They favoured Parker in the close rounds. Parker was always on the back foot. You can tell in the close rounds that it was all about Parker. Boxing though is boxing, they talked about the controversy after the decision. But look at these points. Twice in the buildup they said Parkers road to the title. Its the Road to the Title. Kiwi, in NZ, Duco Events, it all smacks of they got the money, promoters and sponsors happy. Typical boxing. And you would expect after a 12 round title fight it would come down to who tired first. They didn't tire. Predicted by Bob Sheridan as the best fight in 10 years in the preview??? These guys don't rank. Parker tired against Takam, who is a top 25 journeyman. Takam always tires, oddly as he is musclebound. But I knew if this fight went the distance it will go to Parker, no matter what. And if Parker tired Ruiz will drop him. But no one tired. It seems to me that it went the distance, great, Parker wins, great. Nothing ever looked like a big hit and they finished relatively fresh, so cynical me sees it as what we saw in Tua and Parker, win after win, then when it gets real, gone. So thats done. They cannot fight anyone but the top tier now. Again, thats good money then its over.

Thats my cynical take on it. Ive seen many of their fights, this was not a fight to win. IMHO

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#1685929 11-Dec-2016 00:56

itxtme:

I agree, it was a BS result. It was a draw at best. (best from a Parker fan perspective)

Yep, maximise what Parker did, and minimise what Ruiz did. I like both fighters, so a win by either is fine with me, but this wasn't fireworks, the fight that both have to win. It was like a title free match, nothing at stake. For Ruiz, based on the fights i've seen, he didn't fight as he has done. Finished quite fresh, you'd have to ask why. Against Lawrence, he was out of shape. He tired. he fought doggedly to win. Tonight he fought well without doing his usual body attacks, and counterpunch regime. If he was gassed out, ok, but he wasn't. This was a do or die fight for their careers, but not fought like that, you have to ask why. I guess everyone is happy, including Ruiz, for the usual tidy sum, and yes you will get another shot, thanks mate.

Oh well, thats boxing lol! The modern day and more respectable Don King Inc.

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#1685930 11-Dec-2016 01:01

networkn:

Not sure why you would call it a BS result. I didn't watch the match, I watched live updates on the Herald, was a pretty close fight, they are obviously pretty evenly matched. Wasn't a dispute in the results, Parker Won by score-card decision. Are you saying the refs weren't impartial?

Not sure who you were expecting the home crowd to get behind or do ? Surely you'd expect the home crowd to support and cheer for Parker?

What was the result in your eyes?

IMO it wasn't that close. Ruiz early took the first four rounds, no one disputes that. Next two wee close, so they go to Parker. next was Ruiz, after that they were close-ish as each had the moments, but it was relatively tame for these two.

Its not possible to say they are evenly matched. They could be. they are worlds apart in type, but it could be close, and whoever tires first, loses. They never got anywhere near tiring, thats the suspicious thing

My result was I could see either winning late by KO. If a decision, Parker due to bias. Thats what boxing does, bias. Parker has a weak defence so vulnerable, Ruiz has his extra weight, he can tire. Parker has tired before. So to me it was about who tires first. Tonight they could have gone another 6 easily

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#1685931 11-Dec-2016 01:08

The live blog comments were pretty meh as well, a mix of Parker, or Ruiz, or "It's easy to get carried away talking about the decision given how close it was but as Logan mentioned, I don't want to gloss over the fact just what a massive achievement this is for NZ and Samoa. We have a heavyweight boxing champion of the world! It's absolutely incredible."

All I wanted was a proper match, like most sports

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#1685932 11-Dec-2016 01:16

If that's what they call exciting, I won't be watching again.

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#1685933 11-Dec-2016 01:29

benokobi: If that's what they call exciting, I won't be watching again.

Got that right, Im still waiting for the fight to get serious. Tyson Fury held the WBO belt, he beat Klitschko. That says it all. Parker or Ruiz could get close to those heights, but they are a long long way off that, and tonights fight wasn't genuine IMHO. But thats boxing.

Jeff Horn will be worth following though, he's good.

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#1693036 20-Dec-2016 23:05

Reading this after the fact but did anyone see the Duco guy that was interviewed after the fight? Dickhead was my summary

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#1693038 20-Dec-2016 23:47

bpunk:

Reading this after the fact but did anyone see the Duco guy that was interviewed after the fight? Dickhead was my summary

They're a special bunch those Duco guys.

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#1697106 1-Jan-2017 12:18

I see Parkers next fight is probably Hughie Fury, and they want it in NZ, BUT they still want funding. Why, why, why? They are into the big money time now, and we are supposed to subsidise this?

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#1697107 1-Jan-2017 12:23

bpunk:

Reading this after the fact but did anyone see the Duco guy that was interviewed after the fight? Dickhead was my summary

Came here all the way to make a single post?

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