Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 
tripper1000
1648 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1176


  #2991472 3-Nov-2022 11:51
Send private message

This is a mess because of concessions to dangerous air cargo rules. It is a balancing act between what is safe and what is practical. Different airlines are placing this line is slightly different places. 

 

Safety authorities (ICAO, IATA etc)would prefer a blanket ban on stored energy devices at all in the cargo hold. (Fires in the cargo hold are slow to be detected and hard to extinguish. If you are over the ocean you may have to fly for up to 3 hours with a burning cargo hold before you can land - not a great situation to be in).  

 

Lithium batteries have a history of crashing planes worse than say lead acid, alkaline or dry cell batteries. Additionally lithium batteries come on scene relatively late when we were more safety conscious than the old days, so incidents (and rules) attracted more attention.

 

Obviously passengers want to take their devices with them so the compromise has been to take your power-bank/laptop/phone/drill battery on as carry-on - this way if it catches fire (and this has happened) it is quickly noticed and extinguished, unlike fires in the hold.

 

One of the fundamental problems with lithium batteries are that they are both an ignition source and a fuel source. The electricity is the obvious ignition source and the electrolyte can be highly flammable. All you need is oxygen (found everywhere) and something to damage the case (a careless baggage handler, conveyor belt or fall?). With other battery chemistry the electrolyte is not flammable (sulphuric acid and potassium hydroxide).

 

 




tripper1000
1648 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1176


  #2991473 3-Nov-2022 12:01
Send private message

From an electro-magnetic emissions point of view while the current generation of air-tags might be benign, someone is always trying to make a better one (eg using LTE, IoT, or GPS), so they may be reviewed in future and banned again.

 

Anything with a microprocessor in it (like a MP3 player or video camera) can cause unintentional emissions. I have witnessed a Sony handy-cam that unintentionally emitted (strong) hash on 121.5 MHz (the aircraft emergency radio channel) which would have been super annoying and disruptive to the pilots.

 

If it emitted 11 MHz lower (110.3 MHz) it would have been interfering with Auckland Airport Instrument Approach Localiser (gives left/right guidance onto the runway) and sending the aircraft off course on approach (Vertical alignment is in ~330Mhz band). Hence devices are best turned off for take-off and landing when aircraft are the most reliant on radio nav-aides and most vulnerable to inadvertently flying into obstacles.  


PolicyGuy
1820 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1769

ID Verified
Lifetime subscriber

  #2991493 3-Nov-2022 13:38
Send private message

This is getting some coverage in the aviation press:

 

 

There are several references to the fact that Lufthansa first banned these devices, and then after only a few days and much customer push-back, completely walked back from it, saying they are allowed.

 

https://simpleflying.com/air-new-zealand-advises-passengers-not-use-baggage-trackers/




Lightbulb
119 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 10

ID Verified
Lifetime subscriber

  #3014431 27-Dec-2022 20:00
Send private message

Can Air NZ actually detect airtags in checked luggage?  If so, are they actually policing it and removing tags from luggage.  Or are they just going through the motions so as to say they are complying with whatever the regulation are?


tchart

2396 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 577

ID Verified
Trusted

  #3014441 27-Dec-2022 21:37
Send private message

Lightbulb:

Can Air NZ actually detect airtags in checked luggage?  If so, are they actually policing it and removing tags from luggage.  Or are they just going through the motions so as to say they are complying with whatever the regulation are?



I believe they have since said they are fine. Many airlines have stated they are fine with AirTags now.

Wheelbarrow01
1784 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2638

Trusted
Chorus

  #3017603 6-Jan-2023 00:55
Send private message

Published today on Stuff:

 

'No issue' with AirTags being used on flights, CAA says

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/130911787/no-issue-with-airtags-being-used-on-flights-caa-says 

 

The Civil Aviation Authority [CAA] says baggage trackers like AirTags can be used on flights in New Zealand.

 

Air New Zealand has also confirmed that customers are welcome to use them on their checked baggage.


 
 
 
 

Shop now on Samsung phones, tablets, TVs and more (affiliate link).
tchart

2396 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 577

ID Verified
Trusted

  #3017619 6-Jan-2023 08:05
Send private message

Wheelbarrow01:

 

Published today on Stuff:

 

'No issue' with AirTags being used on flights, CAA says

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/130911787/no-issue-with-airtags-being-used-on-flights-caa-says 

 

The Civil Aviation Authority [CAA] says baggage trackers like AirTags can be used on flights in New Zealand.

 

Air New Zealand has also confirmed that customers are welcome to use them on their checked baggage.

 

 

Great to see an official statement


insane
3324 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1006

ID Verified
Trusted
2degrees
Subscriber

  #3017680 6-Jan-2023 09:46
Send private message

johno1234:

It's a shame that the anti-stalking feature now in AirTags would alert thieves to the their presence and give them a chance to find and remove them.



There's a neat guide on YouTube showing how to simply disable the internal buzzer.

I guess Apple see the risk of being stalked as greater than the risk of loosing some possession which can typically be replaced (unless it's on your kid or dog etc)

Both sides of the argument have valid points.

1 | 2 
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic








Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.