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#302151 2-Nov-2022 09:47
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Bit of a W.T.F. moment

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/130343503/air-new-zealand-says-passengers-shouldnt-use-baggage-trackers-in-checked-bags

 

Given they dont use lithium batteries and are no different to a watch this seems like an overreach?

 

Edit: Apparently the coin cells are lithium.

 

They probably dont want people knowing theyve left their luggae behind before they take off!


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  #2990916 2-Nov-2022 10:18
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The reason is that they are bluetooth and you are meant to turn off all devices for take off and landing.

 

 





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  #2990920 2-Nov-2022 10:21
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SATTV:

 

The reason is that they are bluetooth and you are meant to turn off all devices for take off and landing.

 

 

Rubbish, they don't tell everyone with a smartwatch or wireless headphones to power them off, 


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  #2990922 2-Nov-2022 10:22
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Nah, they don't restrict Bluetooth anymore.





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  #2990923 2-Nov-2022 10:24
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Bluetooth devices are allowed to be used at all times

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  #2990927 2-Nov-2022 10:25
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They can't guarantee the batteries aren't dangerous, so better to restrict them all rather than make a list of what's safe, I guess. 





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  #2990928 2-Nov-2022 10:26
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SATTV:

 

The reason is that they are bluetooth and you are meant to turn off all devices for take off and landing.

 

 

That's because the planes use a Logitech joystick control that connects via Bluetooth.





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  #2990930 2-Nov-2022 10:28
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Lufthansa initially banned them, but have since changed their mind and now allow them.

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  #2990938 2-Nov-2022 10:46
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larknz: Lufthansa initially banned them, but have since changed their mind and now allow them.

 

Yes and I believe that many other airlines have said they allow them - and the FAA is OK with them. Notice that Air NZ says shouldn't  - not mustn't.





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  #2990940 2-Nov-2022 10:58
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Air New Zealand's web site states:

 

"Smart baggage can be checked in provided non-removable batteries contain no more than 0.3 g lithium or for lithium-ion does not exceed 2.7 Wh. Removable batteries must be removed if baggage is to be checked in and the batteries carried in the cabin."

 

I guess technically this bans Airtags as they have a removable coin cell battery, but how is that coin cell possibly more risky than a small lithium ion battery? 


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  #2990941 2-Nov-2022 10:59
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Has there ever been an instance of one of these baggage trackers spontaneously catching fire? 





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  #2990942 2-Nov-2022 11:01
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Bit funny to read this then see THIS pop up on Twitter:

 

 

https://twitter.com/ErrolWebber/status/1587283848936574976

 

 





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  #2990951 2-Nov-2022 11:20
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It's a shame that the anti-stalking feature now in AirTags would alert thieves to the their presence and give them a chance to find and remove them.


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  #2990965 2-Nov-2022 11:57
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alasta:

 

Air New Zealand's web site states:

 

"Smart baggage can be checked in provided non-removable batteries contain no more than 0.3 g lithium or for lithium-ion does not exceed 2.7 Wh. Removable batteries must be removed if baggage is to be checked in and the batteries carried in the cabin."

 

I guess technically this bans Airtags as they have a removable coin cell battery, but how is that coin cell possibly more risky than a small lithium ion battery? 

 

 

The sticking point seems to be that devices need to be turned off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Air NZ allows up to 15 battery-powered devices in your bags, so clearly they don't have an issue with button cells in checked luggage.

 

 

 

 

Although higher up on the same webpage it says "Allowed if not possible to pack in carry-on bag"...

 

 

 

As a whole the rules are odd. For somebody who has maxed out their carry on bag weight, they would be allowed to carry a say 108Wh power tool battery in their checked bag as long as they installed in their grinder / heat gun etc... Even with the switch taped to ensure the tool doesn't turn on, this seems way riskier than having the battery and tool separate.

 

 

 

[edit] The more I think about that last point, the more nuts the situation is. A substantial energy battery mounted in a heat gun in the event of an unintended activation is a very real fire risk (as an example the Dewalt one is rated to heat to 468deg C, which is above the autoignition temperature of a decent amount of stuff, for example cotton is around 407Deg C).


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  #2990971 2-Nov-2022 12:21
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eracode:

 

larknz: Lufthansa initially banned them, but have since changed their mind and now allow them.

 

Yes and I believe that many other airlines have said they allow them - and the FAA is OK with them. Notice that Air NZ says shouldn't  - not mustn't.

 

 

Sorry, that shouldn’t (v. ‘mustn’t) was Stuff’s wording - does not actually reflect what Air NZ are saying.





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  #2991103 2-Nov-2022 16:01
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In terms of lithium content, apparently a CR2032 battery has 0.1 of a gram of lithium.

 

 

johno1234:

 

It's a shame that the anti-stalking feature now in AirTags would alert thieves to the their presence and give them a chance to find and remove them.

 

 

The anti-stalking only kicks in if youre moving and an air tag continues to be in close proximity (i.e. on you). Otherwise everytime you went to a coffee shop youd be get loads of notifications you were being stalked.

 

A luggage handler with an iphone would likely not get alerted since its likley not going to be in close proximity or close to them for a decent length of time.

 

We left an airtag behind in a hotel room and it stayed there for several weeks before it was found.

 

But yes, as a tracker for stolen goods it would alert them eventually - though I have seen videaos on Youtube of people destroiying the speaker.

 

 

 

 


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