Why is there no virtual card Snapper?

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#2852820 18-Jan-2022 13:37

PolicyGuy:

I think Oyster (London) & Opal (Sydney) are the same technology as the Hong Kong Octopus card. I've used Opal & Oyster, and they Just Work very easily and very effectively. 👍👍

You are correct. London, Sydney, South-East Queensland, Houston, Miami, San Francisco, Vancouver all use the same system developed by Cubic Technologies.

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#2852827 18-Jan-2022 13:48

Kyanar:

You are correct. London, Sydney, South-East Queensland, Houston, Miami, San Francisco, Vancouver all use the same system developed by Cubic Technologies.

So rationally we should just adopt the same here and adapt the transport operations to suit the system. But we don't because .. politics.

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#2852942 18-Jan-2022 14:42

MikeAqua:

So rationally we should just adopt the same here and adapt the transport operations to suit the system. But we don't because ...

The system needs to work for existing NZ transport and culture. Both Snapper ( Korean T-Money ) and AT/HOP (Thales) are already derived from foreign systems working elsewhere in the world. A couple of the challenges here for rail include that NZ has few gated stations and also most are not manned.

If you look at a London Underground gate, it has two readers, one for NFC and another for the cardboard cards. If you look at an overland railway turnstile, it has three, NFC, cardboard-ticket slot and and a bar-code reader, which ironically is like the Wellington Cablecar (Funicular Railway) gates. In London the underground is tag-in, tag-out, but the busses are all tag-on only fixed price rides.

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#2853011 18-Jan-2022 17:05

roobarb:

The system needs to work for existing NZ transport and culture. Both Snapper ( Korean T-Money ) and AT/HOP (Thales) are already derived from foreign systems working elsewhere in the world. A couple of the challenges here for rail include that NZ has few gated stations and also most are not manned.

If you look at a London Underground gate, it has two readers, one for NFC and another for the cardboard cards. If you look at an overland railway turnstile, it has three, NFC, cardboard-ticket slot and and a bar-code reader, which ironically is like the Wellington Cablecar (Funicular Railway) gates. In London the underground is tag-in, tag-out, but the busses are all tag-on only fixed price rides.

The DLR in London has tag on / tag off posts like most Auckland unstaffed train stations, so no need to reinvent anything for us. Auckland has already gated a handful of their very busiest stations, as significant percentage of journeys on the trains originate / finish at those stations.

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#2877999 3-Mar-2022 04:23

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old3eyes:

I got an email June last year from the Queensland Transport people saying that they were fazing out there Go Card ticketing system and going with NFC Visa, Mastercard and Amex or your cell phone. Makes life allot easier for visitors that's for sure.

Pity NZ operators didn't move into the 21st century as well.

If paying by contactless credit card can they still charge according to how you travel. I.e in Christchurch first trip in first two hours charged, many trips as like no further charge. After two hours another charge then rest of day free travel.

I’m not expecting you to know answer old3eyes, just a query in relation to using credit cards directly or other transport payment methods.

It depends on the implementation, but the infrastructure is easily capable.

Not in Queensland but from the UK, you use contactless (including legacy transport card, contactless-enabled db/cr card or mobile wallet, but the following may not apply to legacy cards) to tag on and off. There will be a tag record stating at what time you have tagged at which station.

At the end of the day, there will be a clearing calculation, e.g. how many zones have you travelled through, did you travel during peak hours and did you reach the capped fare for the day or for the week.

Managing eligibility of free transit can be done by comparing the tag-off tag-on time when the clearing is done.

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#2908418 29-Apr-2022 18:36

And now ...

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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/466150/snapper-cards-being-rolled-out-on-wellington-trains

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#2908464 30-Apr-2022 05:36

PolicyGuy:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/466150/snapper-cards-being-rolled-out-on-wellington-trains

I interpret that as still part of the interim solution before the delayed Project First. Good to see the 80% rail pax adoption of electronic ticketing.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/walking-cycling-and-public-transport/public-transport/national-ticketing-solution/

Waka Kotahi NZ Transport Agency and our partners are working through the procurement process with a preferred supplier.

Given we are expecting an open-loop solution, do we yet know who the preferred or selected supplier is?

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#2908638 30-Apr-2022 16:05

Welcome to the 21st Century. Now how about NFC and Credit and Debit card ticketing like Queensland transport is rolling out. ??

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#2908682 30-Apr-2022 16:50

old3eyes: Welcome to the 21st Century.

In perspective, Snapper (based on T-Money) has been around since 2008 and London Oyster (started 2003) only started accepting credit cards in 2014. Ticketing systems are normally planned to last for a ten to twenty year period, and implementation typically takes 2 to 3 years even when a city is getting a similar scheme from the same provider as used in another city. Snapper did have Touch2Pay in 2012.

The new NZTA project is a national scheme, most(all?) of the other examples mentioned are regional or city schemes. Although the population of Singapore is comparable with NZ it is effectively one city. The original intent was that the Thales AT/HOP system was going to be the national card as NITIS.

Some card schemes have come and gone in the relative blink of an eye, eg the the "a.to.b" card that was used only for a couple of years in the Wairarapa, that was based on MIFARE classic and replaced by Snapper.

Octopus has been mentioned in this thread, that is a different kettle of fish as it uses Felica.

From what I can see; Thales, Cubic, Vix and Init all have existing open-loop systems that accept credit/debit cards but T-Money in Seoul does not yet.

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#2908683 30-Apr-2022 16:54

roobarb:

old3eyes: Welcome to the 21st Century.

In perspective, Snapper (based on T-Money) has been around since 2008 and London Oyster (started 2003) only started accepting credit cards in 2014. Ticketing systems are normally planned to last for a ten to twenty year period, and implementation typically takes 2 to 3 years even when a city is getting a similar scheme from the same provider as used in another city. Snapper did have Touch2Pay in 2012.

The new NZTA project is a national scheme, most(all?) of the other examples mentioned are regional or city schemes. Although the population of Singapore is comparable with NZ it is effectively one city. The original intent was that the Thales AT/HOP system was going to be the national card as NITIS.

Some card schemes have come and gone in the relative blink of an eye, eg the the "a.to.b" card that was used only for a couple of years in the Wairarapa, that was based on MIFARE classic and replaced by Snapper.

Octopus has been mentioned in this thread, that is a different kettle of fish as it uses Felica.

From what I can see; Thales, Cubic, Vix and Init all have existing open-loop systems that accept credit/debit cards but T-Money in Seoul does not yet.

I know it's been around for years but Wellington transport, welcome to the 21st century and they're finally getting rid of paper tickets and cash sales on the trains??

Regards,

Old3eyes

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#2908685 30-Apr-2022 16:57

old3eyes:

I know it's been around for years but Wellington transport, welcome to the 21st century and they're finally getting rid of paper tickets and cash sales on the trains??

Ah yes, absolutely, now including rail!

It was still this century when they were using blackboards for platform departure times in Wellington Station.

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#2912430 10-May-2022 17:07

Looking forward to using my old snapper on the 🚂

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#2912441 10-May-2022 17:50

Stu1:

Looking forward to using my old snapper on the 🚂

- Why did the train services stop this morning?
- Apparently, someone used an old Snapper and it simply broke all the APIs.

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#2912458 10-May-2022 18:56

freitasm:

Stu1:

Looking forward to using my old snapper on the 🚂

- Why did the train services stop this morning?
- Apparently, someone used an old Snapper and it simply broke all the APIs.

I was cleaning up my desk and came across it, I was in one of the pilot groups at ANZ got to test my free money at the bull and bear . Not sure how to top it up these days

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#2912512 11-May-2022 00:41

Stu1: Not sure how to top it up these days

You should be able to use the Snapper Mobile app, a kiosk or a retail outlet just like any other Snapper. It is still a contact-less Snapper in addition to having the USB connection. The antenna is smaller than in a normal card but it should still work.

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