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  #3318058 8-Dec-2024 16:55
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Asteros:

 

I personally don't see much difference between airlines in Economy class. I would like to be proven wrong, but the idea to fly alternative airlines based on price or timetable makes sense.

 

If you're a smallish person, then you may not notice much difference. If you're more generously proportioned, or sitting next to someone who's large(ish), you definitely will notice. 

 

Apart from JAL & ANA, as far as I know just about all airlines - including Air NZ - run their economy class seating in B787s 9-abreast, when JAL & ANA run 8-abreast as Boeing originally designed. Most airlines (incl AirNZ) also run economy class in their B777s as 10-abreast, instead of the 9-abreat that Boeing originally designed. The result is that the seats and aisles are 17" (~43cm) wide, or "pretty bloody skinny" as we Self Loading Cargo say.

 

It is possible to avoid this problem: you could fly Premium Economy but while comfy, this is pretty expensive, or you could just choose an airline running Airbus aircraft.
This is not an anti-Boeing thing, it's just that the Airbus aircraft are designed to be less squeezy in Economy:
  * The A330 & A340 are B787 competitors but run 8-abreast 18" (~45cm) seats
  * The A350 is a B787 / B777 competitor but runs 9-abreast 18" (~45cm) seats. Also the A350 is much quieter for passengers than the B777.
  * The incomparable A380 runs 10-abreast but the seats are a relatively luxurious 19" (~48cm) wide, and the economy class cabin is the most spacious and the quietest you can fly in.

 

You may not think that a couple of centimetres extra seat width would make much difference, but it actually does.




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  #3318060 8-Dec-2024 17:09
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Yes I'm wrong. Seat width is important, so there are differences in Economy between airlines and planes.

 

One thing though, the Emirates A380 is 18" wide in Economy based on Aerolopa

 

https://www.aerolopa.com/ek

 

https://seatmaps.com/airlines/ek-emirates/airbus-a380/

 

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Emirates_Airlines/Emirates_Airlines_Airbus_A380.php

 

 


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  #3318063 8-Dec-2024 17:27
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I don't know what you are comparing (I do 😉), but for me the front LH seat has always been the most comfortable and service friendly. The only thing was that the „entertainment system“ was not as good as in the seats all behind me and the choice of „drinks“ was somewhat limited. 😁





     

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  #3318066 8-Dec-2024 17:38
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Tinkerisk:

 

I don't know what you are comparing (I do 😉), but for me the front LH seat has always been the most comfortable and service friendly. The only thing was that the „entertainment system“ was not as good as in the seats all behind me and the choice of „drinks“ was somewhat limited. 😁

 

 

Being paid to be there and having a bunk to sleep in probably doesn’t hurt the experience either!





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  #3318068 8-Dec-2024 17:50
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PolicyGuy:

 

Asteros:

 

I personally don't see much difference between airlines in Economy class. I would like to be proven wrong, but the idea to fly alternative airlines based on price or timetable makes sense.

 

If you're a smallish person, then you may not notice much difference. If you're more generously proportioned, or sitting next to someone who's large(ish), you definitely will notice. 

 

Apart from JAL & ANA, as far as I know just about all airlines - including Air NZ - run their economy class seating in B787s 9-abreast, when JAL & ANA run 8-abreast as Boeing originally designed. Most airlines (incl AirNZ) also run economy class in their B777s as 10-abreast, instead of the 9-abreat that Boeing originally designed. The result is that the seats and aisles are 17" (~43cm) wide, or "pretty bloody skinny" as we Self Loading Cargo say.

 

It is possible to avoid this problem: you could fly Premium Economy but while comfy, this is pretty expensive, or you could just choose an airline running Airbus aircraft.
This is not an anti-Boeing thing, it's just that the Airbus aircraft are designed to be less squeezy in Economy:
  * The A330 & A340 are B787 competitors but run 8-abreast 18" (~45cm) seats
  * The A350 is a B787 / B777 competitor but runs 9-abreast 18" (~45cm) seats. Also the A350 is much quieter for passengers than the B777.
  * The incomparable A380 runs 10-abreast but the seats are a relatively luxurious 19" (~48cm) wide, and the economy class cabin is the most spacious and the quietest you can fly in.

 

You may not think that a couple of centimetres extra seat width would make much difference, but it actually does.

 

 

 

 

While this is true for the majority of operators, there are a few exceptions running 9-abreast in A330/A340s, 10 abreast in A350s, and also 8-abreast in 767s. These are a very tight squeeze, and are generally found in super-economy charter-type carriers like FrenchBee and IIRC Thomson?

 

 

 

A320s are also very slightly wider than 737s. 


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  #3318186 8-Dec-2024 20:41
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SomeoneSomewhere:

 

While this is true for the majority of operators, there are a few exceptions running 9-abreast in A330/A340s, 10 abreast in A350s, and also 8-abreast in 767s. These are a very tight squeeze, and are generally found in super-economy charter-type carriers like FrenchBee and IIRC Thomson?

 

A320s are also very slightly wider than 737s. 

 

 

That is true, but I thought it unlikely that GZ users would have the misfortune to come across these airlines.

 

And indeed, the A320 economy seat is by design slightly (maybe 2cm?) wider and somewhat less uncomfortable that the B737, whose fuselage cross section goes back to the B707 and the dawn of the jet age in the 1950s, when people were significantly smaller than today


 
 
 
 

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  #3318198 8-Dec-2024 21:27
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I think it's less that and more that 707s and 737s were originally developed as five-abreast aircraft, with six-abreast being a 'super crammed extra economy' for really short routes.


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  #3318226 9-Dec-2024 03:44
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Dingbatt:

 

Being paid to be there and having a bunk to sleep in probably doesn’t hurt the experience either!

 

 

Sleeping in the crew rest compartment was out of the question (with rare exceptions, i.e. route proving), as these were test flights - not scheduled or charter flights. 😉





     

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  #3318993 11-Dec-2024 00:26
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I'm not seeing any Sky nest 🤔


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  #3319011 11-Dec-2024 06:57
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I’m pretty sure the sky nests are being fitted elsewhere, possibly NZ?





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  #3495720 27-May-2026 10:31
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Necroing a thread here but it seems like the most relevant thread to necro... Does anyone have any intel on what AirNZ 787 airframes actually have been retrofitted?





 
 
 
 

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  #3495728 27-May-2026 10:56
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stubbed:

 

Necroing a thread here but it seems like the most relevant thread to necro... Does anyone have any intel on what AirNZ 787 airframes actually have been retrofitted?

 

 

https://simpleflying.com/air-new-zealand-reveals-first-routes-for-ultra-premium-boeing-787/ 

 

 

 

 


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  #3495730 27-May-2026 10:59
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ZK-NZS = Number 1, but that's a brand new airframe. What about the existing retrofitted ones?





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  #3495731 27-May-2026 11:06
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stubbed:

 

Necroing a thread here but it seems like the most relevant thread to necro... Does anyone have any intel on what AirNZ 787 airframes actually have been retrofitted?

 

 

It's still a bit random, I have a Sydney trip coming up in a couple of weeks In business class that was on the leased (nice ex-Cathay Pacific) 777-367's (as opposed to the non upgraded 777-319's) and the return one was changed to one of the non upgraded 787's. I've also got a US trip in September that has the NZ1 New York return flight that was going to be on one of the new GE powered 787-9's that they randomly changed to a retrofitted one with the smaller PE seating removing my window seats sigh. So its fair to say its still a bit random which plane you get and its subject to a lot of change. The 777-319's are supposed to get the same upgrade starting next year but I suspect this will be delayed.

 

 

 

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airlines/nz-anz/fleet


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  #3495733 27-May-2026 11:11
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@noroad - Yeah copy, the routes I fly (AKL<>LAX, AKL<>IAH, AKL<>SIN) are exclusively 777, AirNZ + Ex Cathay. My hope is that there are some plane nerds who have flown on retrofitted 787s who use Flightly or byAir and have the registration details so we can start a list.





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