Egypt MS804 Reported Missing/Disappeared (Airbus A320)

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Topic # 196113 19-May-2016 16:53

As reported by the Herald:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11641360

It "faded" off radar. Not a good sign. Navy are on the way and search and other search and rescue operations are in place. It was only 10 minutes away from its destination.

I'm not jumping to conclusions this time. But I hope this aircraft is found relatively quickly. Apparently the airspace is low volume, however the traffic on the water is high.

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Reply # 1556296 20-May-2016 14:47

And of course now, news reports of a "chilling threat" issued by ISIS - the news article alone linking them to the disappearance, but lacking any direct evidence or link or specifics suggesting that this was what ISIS were planning. Just a very general threat, which they seem to issue on very regular basis.

Unfortunately, other unsolved serious incidents over the past few years probably add to unease, and another long wait begins.

One thing which does give me the creeps is TATP (acetone peroxide). ISIS seem to be getting better at making it - which is not good news.

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Reply # 1556307 20-May-2016 15:15

And once again the USA based media is having a field day speculating and jumping to conclusions without having any facts to do so.................

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Reply # 1556344 20-May-2016 16:04

Zippity:

And once again the USA based media is having a field day speculating and jumping to conclusions without having any facts to do so.................

To be fair to the media, people do have an expectation or hope that they'll be told something, and the "official sources" seem to be all over the place with reports or should I say their own or second-hand speculation based on very little to nothing , we've found the wreckage, oops we've found wreckage but it's not the wreckage, officials not ruling anything out, other officials commenting that it has all the appearances of being a bomb, etc etc. Around and around we go. Yeah it would be nice perhaps if that didn't happen, but it is (IMO) quite big news in the current climate - when a plane at cruise altitude suddenly disappears off the radar.

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Reply # 1556579 20-May-2016 21:44

Zippity, can you provide examples of what US based media are speculating and jumping to conclusions about that other media aren't?

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Reply # 1556612 20-May-2016 23:27

From London Daily Telegraph:

Full statement from Egyptian military on debris, belongings discovery
It reads:

"With regards to the search efforts of the armed forces for the missing plane...the Egyptian Navy this morning (Friday 20.05.16) found a few personal belongings of the passengers, as well as a piece of the plane in the area north of Alexandria at a distance of 290km. We will continue our search, comb the area and pick up what we find."

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Reply # 1556641 21-May-2016 03:26

Until the black boxes are both found it is very difficult to know what caused it if you find the aircraft in pieces in a body of water. Unless you get lucky and a piece big enough shows an isolated explosion took place.

It reminds me of Air Asia. Same plane isn't it? I wonder if same problem.

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Reply # 1556642 21-May-2016 03:32

Fred99:
And of course now, news reports of a "chilling threat" issued by ISIS - the news article alone linking them to the disappearance, but lacking any direct evidence or link or specifics suggesting that this was what ISIS were planning. Just a very general threat, which they seem to issue on very regular basis.

Unfortunately, other unsolved serious incidents over the past few years probably add to unease, and another long wait begins.

One thing which does give me the creeps is TATP (acetone peroxide). ISIS seem to be getting better at making it - which is not good news.

They are pretty reliable when it comes to claiming responsibility; if they don't do so within the next 48hrs it's unlikely them. Apparently if it is then the world's got a problem because the last port of call was a very secure airport.

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Reply # 1556680 21-May-2016 08:00

joker97: It reminds me of Air Asia. Same plane isn't it? I wonder if same problem.

What problem is that?

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Reply # 1556686 21-May-2016 08:36

Dratsab:

joker97: It reminds me of Air Asia. Same plane isn't it? I wonder if same problem.

What problem is that?

Yes same aircraft.

Part of the autopilot board had a crack. So for the past X number of flights it malfunctioned and had to be reset manually. In the process of the manual reset you lose auto stall recovery and auto pilot.

THe pilot were not trained to fly manually and were not trained to practice stall recovery. That is completely legal apparently, coz, you know, what could ever go wrong, says Airbus.

Unfortunately the first officer managed to put it in a position to stall. The pilot said "pull down". He should have said push down. The first officer pulled on the joystick vs pilot pushing. Airbus adds the effect of the joysticks. THe net effect was a steep climb and complete stall and it fell like a rock to the bottom of the Java sea.

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Reply # 1556687 21-May-2016 08:38

My details might be wrong but the overall gist of it is accurate ;p [I watch way too many Air Crash Investigation - it's always the same thing!]

Doesn't sound like what happened to the Egyptian plane I have to admit

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Reply # 1556775 21-May-2016 12:36

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Smoke detectors triggered and automatic warning messages that some systems had failed a few minutes before radar contact was lost, no cabin depressurisation. Of course it may have been a bomb, but it may not have been. Apparently some Egyptian organisation with links to ISIS has claimed responsibility, but they probably would anyway. Trump is already certain - if you dispute that it was "blown out of the sky" then you're "100% wrong" according to his tweets. He's going to be a barrel of laughs if he become president - I hope he's got better control over his trigger finger than he does over his mouth.

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Reply # 1557075 22-May-2016 00:23

Official ACARS data. Apparently not "Raw" and the output of another application designed to interpret it, but data all the same.

00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR
00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT
no further ACARS messages were received.

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Reply # 1558281 23-May-2016 22:01

Certain news page published rumours that there may have been a hole blown in the cockpit.. not sure how they came to this assumption based on available data.

Will be very interesting to see what the data recorders hold

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Reply # 1558288 23-May-2016 22:09

Why are they deploying ships and a submarine before using the ping scanner?

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Reply # 1558298 23-May-2016 22:45

joker97:

Why are they deploying ships and a submarine before using the ping scanner?

My guess? They knew exactly where the plane was only a couple of hours (if not less) after the plane went down. Remember, we're always 24 (or more) hours behind the initial PR spin. Experts were speculating that debris would be found within four weeks. In fact, debris was collected the very next day.

So if we keep all this in mind, they would know exactly where the black box is, and it will likely be in the deck of the nearest ship early next week and in the hands of investigators not long after.

Regarding the hole in the cockpit. I'd suggest it was the fact the windows were reporting strange things.

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