Whenuapai airport - Domestic flights

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#255943 7-Sep-2019 21:41

About time there was another domestic airport north of the harbour bridge. I think Whenuapai would work well. The Civil/Military model works well at Woodbourne, I cannot see why it cannot work at Whenuapai.

An airport in that area would help with Auckland's congestion. People flying to/from Auckland will have the choice at several locations of flying to/from either the south of Auckland or the north of Auckland depending on where they need to go or where they live.

I think it's a great idea.

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#2312554 7-Sep-2019 21:49

Inevitably, that would change the whole vibe of the area, but I suppose progress is necessary. I spent a few years living on-base as a kid in the 70s, and it was a golden time. Safe, and everyone knew everyone else. Myself and a few other kids on our bikes got chased off the runway by the MPs, yelling at us that we were preventing an Orion from landing. Fun times.

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#2312557 7-Sep-2019 22:02

Gurezaemon:

Inevitably, that would change the whole vibe of the area, but I suppose progress is necessary. I spent a few years living on-base as a kid in the 70s, and it was a golden time. Safe, and everyone knew everyone else. Myself and a few other kids on our bikes got chased off the runway by the MPs, yelling at us that we were preventing an Orion from landing. Fun times.

My nephew grew up on a farm next to Ohakea. He tells a story about him and his school mate who lived on base getting picked up by the MPs after they climbed the farm boundary fence to make their way around/across the airfield.

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#2312562 7-Sep-2019 22:08

what makes you think there would be choice in where to fly from?

they might just put all flights to xyz from one airport.

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#2312565 7-Sep-2019 22:20

Our Auckland branch is in Manukau, so Whenuapai would be a pain for us if it was the only option from Christchurch.

Probably suit a lot of people though.

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#2312566 7-Sep-2019 22:21

Jase2985:

what makes you think there would be choice in where to fly from?

they might just put all flights to xyz from one airport.

There is no sense in doing that.

If you read what Christopher Luxon has said I think it pretty clear the destinations chosen for Whenuapai will also be served by Auckland, there will just be less flights to these places from Auckland.

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#2312567 7-Sep-2019 22:24

k1w1k1d:

Our Auckland branch is in Manukau, so Whenuapai would be a pain for us if it was the only option from Christchurch.

Probably suit a lot of people though.

They will still fly to both Auckland as well as Whenuapai if they fly to Whenuapai from any destination. It doesn't make sense not to do it this way.

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#2312585 7-Sep-2019 23:29

This old chestnut gets raised about every 5 years.

Whenuapai is not certified for civil operations.

It’s noise contours operate under an exemption.

It is now surrounded by houses.

It’s runway requires lots of tlc due to the type of ground it is built on.

Airlines are not interested in duplicating facilities in two locations in a city the size of Auckland. Neither is the council.

In twenty years time it will look like Wigram does now as the operational part of the RNZAF will be at Ohakea.

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#2312588 8-Sep-2019 00:30

A city of 1.5 million people needs another airport because?

If it's such a wonderful idea Air New Zealand should be able fund it and develop it right?

This is purely a strategy to put pressure on Auckland to reduce landing charges.

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#2312597 8-Sep-2019 07:12

@Dingbatt and @Handle9

You’re both totally correct IMO - will never happen.

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#2312598 8-Sep-2019 07:30

Putting aside issues with the airport itself (others here know more than me about the location), it doesn't make sense for the incumbent 'premium' airline to split itself across two locations. It will lose its advantages of an integrated regional/domestic/international network and high frequency domestic trunk routes.

It would make slightly more sense for a low cost carrier like Jetstar to move all of their Auckland international/domestic movements to a second airport. I still don't expect that to happen.

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#2312602 8-Sep-2019 07:50

nickb800: Putting aside issues with the airport itself (others here know more than me about the location), it doesn't make sense for the incumbent 'premium' airline to split itself across two locations. It will lose its advantages of an integrated regional/domestic/international network and high frequency domestic trunk routes.

It would make slightly more sense for a low cost carrier like Jetstar to move all of their Auckland international/domestic movements to a second airport. I still don't expect that to happen.

Correct. Unless you’re going to provide a bare-bones, ultra-budget experience, it’s just never going to work.

The cost of developing infrastructure like terminal, checkin, departure lounges, baggage handling systems, air bridges etc would be astronomical compared to the revenue and passenger volumes that would be handled. Not to mention the major rework that’s apparently needed on the runway. And the outcry from North Shore residents living under the flight paths. Just ain’t gonna happen.

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#2312614 8-Sep-2019 08:26

Dingbatt:

Whenuapai is not certified for civil operations.

It's pretty well a stroke of the pen for it to get certified as a Civil airport. I'd be very surprised there was any criteria it didn't already meet.

Dingbatt: It’s noise contours operate under an exemption.

It is now surrounded by houses.

Thanks to councils who have been derelict in their duty. I doubt the aircraft Air New Zealand are suggesting they wish to operate into there are noisier than the current RNZAF aircraft, in fact they would be quieter.

Dingbatt: It’s runway requires lots of tlc due to the type of ground it is built on.

The type of ground is likely not much different to some other airports in New Zealand. The aircraft Air New Zealand re suggesting they wish to operate into there would have far less impact than the much heavier RNZAF aircraft. The amount of TLC will be largely dictated by the heavier aircraft.

Dingbatt: Airlines are not interested in duplicating facilities in two locations in a city the size of Auckland. Neither is the council

What facilities are you talking about. A bit of car parking space, a smallish building for a terminal, (for all we know there might be a suitable building already there) and may be some tarmac area. Not big dollars in the scheme of things. Apparently there is already an investor willing to partner on the project.

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#2312615 8-Sep-2019 08:30

eracode:

Correct. Unless you’re going to provide a bare-bones, ultra-budget experience, it’s just never going to work.

The cost of developing infrastructure like terminal, checkin, departure lounges, baggage handling systems, air bridges etc would be astronomical compared to the revenue and passenger volumes that would be handled. Not to mention the major rework that’s apparently needed on the runway. And the outcry from North Shore residents living under the flight paths. Just ain’t gonna happen.

No airbridges from what I can tell.

The rest of it can be done relatively cheaply. I know what it has been done for elsewhere.

The noise from the residents (NIMBYS) will be the biggest problem.

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#2312616 8-Sep-2019 08:31

eracode:
nickb800: Putting aside issues with the airport itself (others here know more than me about the location), it doesn't make sense for the incumbent 'premium' airline to split itself across two locations. It will lose its advantages of an integrated regional/domestic/international network and high frequency domestic trunk routes.

It would make slightly more sense for a low cost carrier like Jetstar to move all of their Auckland international/domestic movements to a second airport. I still don't expect that to happen.

Correct. Unless you’re going to provide a bare-bones, ultra-budget experience, it’s just never going to work.

The cost of developing infrastructure like terminal, checkin, departure lounges, baggage handling systems, air bridges etc would be astronomical compared to the revenue and passenger volumes that would be handled. Not to mention the major rework that’s apparently needed on the runway. And the outcry from North Shore residents living under the flight paths. Just ain’t gonna happen.

Yeah lets just put another runway in at Mangere and let the South Auckland people suffer more after all their wages and house values are less that ours over the shore and we can't have ours devalued by a pesky airport. After all my company pays for my cab fare to the existing airport from the shore.

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