Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#2384820 3-Jan-2020 22:57

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And in Iraqi soil. Hitting the Baghdad International Airport. Is no one wondering how they can get away with this?

In the words of Denis Leary - 'Because we've got The Bomb.'

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#2384897 4-Jan-2020 07:31

Well it seems that Trump has the war he always blamed Obama for wanting to start to secure Obama's election.

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#2384906 4-Jan-2020 08:16

I was listening to a retired US general yesterday on CNN. This was before the US killed the Iranian general.

"Can you go in and -- and bomb some stuff in Iran, get in and out with aircraft, sure. But could you actually change the government, put a government in place that represents the various groups of the Iranian people, establish peace and stability in the region, that's an entirely different problem.

Iran is a huge country, it's got a population of 80 some-odd million, you don't have enough U.S. forces, NATO forces or forces in the western world to be able to actually occupy the country. And you can be sure that there would be a lot of resistance to any U.S. action. So you might pound them into what looks like submission in a few days, but they've got other means to come back.

So no -- I mean -- this is tough talk, but the war is not the solution. The president knows it. But we've got to have a strategy.

And the problem with the strategy is that he's -- President Trump is on a dilemma because he pulled out of the Iran agreement, our allies want the Iran agreement back. Russia has even warned that the Iran agreement -- the Iranians want the agreement back. So if we're not going to get -- if we're not going to go to war, then what's the strategy? And simply breaking the economy through sanctions is not doing enough so far to cause the Iranian government to say, okay, we give up on all our interests in the world. They're not going to do that. So we need a strategy."

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#2384908 4-Jan-2020 08:35

Trump has not served in the military and sought five deferments during the Vietnam War.

He called retired Navy Admiral Bill McRaven, a career SEAL who led the raid against Osama bin Laden a “Hillary Clinton fan” and chided McRaven for not getting bin Laden “sooner.”

Trump questioned the value of retired Army General Stanley McCrystal’s four-star rank, putting “general” in quotation marks in a debasing tweet.

“'General' McChrystal got fired like a dog by Obama. Last assignment a total bust. Known for big, dumb mouth. Hillary lover!”

More quotes

“I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me.”

“[The generals] don’t know much because they’re not winning.”

“I am also going to convene my top generals and give them a simple instruction: They will have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office a plan for defeating ISIS.”

“I'm the Meryl Streep of generals”

After a meeting with in Iraq to meet with generals: “And I said, 'Bring the cameras. I'm going to make a movie. This is the most incredible thing.'"

“I think I would have been a good general, but who knows”

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#2384929 4-Jan-2020 11:12

If Iranian leaders possess active cojones, and aren't just 'empty vessels making the most noise', I wonder if a quid pro quo response might be likely. Supreme Military leader for Supreme Military leader, like. An eye for an eye.

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his ~~government~~ President.' Edward Abbey

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#2384939 4-Jan-2020 12:03

Yeah, just look at the shots fired between Israel and Iran. It's not going to end quickly.

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#2384998 4-Jan-2020 14:24

DarthKermit: What a way to start the new year. Trumpy ordered the killing of an Iranian general.

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#2385095 4-Jan-2020 17:18

I'm not making any suggestions, but perhaps life will imitate art with a Abqaiq–Khurais attack 2.0.

Please note Secret Service, I'm not associated with the Iranians. Heck I don't even know an Iranian kebab shop owner.

I'm not recommending a course of action, just saying it's always a bad idea to poke a hornet's nest.

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#2385107 4-Jan-2020 18:13

Don't even hint at such a thing. These days you don't know who might take it seriously.

My New Year's wish is that Trump receives a life sentence at the bottom of a Mexican long drop. That is far more satisfying.

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#2385223 4-Jan-2020 22:51

I would not be at all sorry if Donald John Trump died a long, slow and painful death. Kiss my ass National Security Agency and Secret Service. I'll never visit your country.

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#2385275 5-Jan-2020 08:41

The New York Times - Opinion - American Foreign Policy Is Broken. Suleimani’s Killing Proves It.

A properly functioning National Security Council would never have let it happen, for good reason.

Jan. 4, 2020

The targeted killing of Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani and four others in a precision strike by an MQ-9 Reaper drone at Baghdad International Airport was an impressive display of American military prowess.

And it liquidated a destabilizing figure: The general was the commander of the Quds Force, which is responsible for Iran’s covert and extraterritorial military operations.

In the scheme of things, he had it coming.

Yet killing him made little strategic sense for the United States.

In some ways, the most significant thing about his death is what it shows about the breakdown of American foreign policymaking.

President Trump ordered the strike directly, prompted by the death of an American contractor on Dec. 27 in a rocket attack by Kataib Hezbollah, an Iranian-sponsored Iraqi Shia militia.

Mr. Trump did not bother to consult congressional leaders.

As with his other displays of martial fiat, his immediate impulse was probably to shock the liberal domestic audience, vicariously make himself feel tough, and assert raw executive power by going around the normal channels of decision making.

Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama had considered taking out General Suleimani but rejected it - not for lack of nerve, but for fear of undue escalation and an unnecessary war with Iran.

The fundamental facts on the ground have not changed ...

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#2385283 5-Jan-2020 09:37

Several rockets have fallen inside Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone, its Jadriya neighbourhood, and the Balad air base housing US troops, the Iraqi military said.

My guess is he will decree its not a war, or that its not a new war. IMHO the war has started, and someone needs to do something to calm it down

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#2385288 5-Jan-2020 09:47

DarthKermit:

I would not be at all sorry if Donald John Trump died a long, slow and painful death. Kiss my ass National Security Agency and Secret Service. I'll never visit your country.

You don't have to. They will visit you.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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#2385291 5-Jan-2020 09:53

Pertinent article

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/04/middleeast/trump-iran-revenge-analysis-intl/index.html

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