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#2266229 28-Jun-2019 12:44

Yet again JA has shown she has no stomach for making hard decisions when it comes to people. Twyford should be gone (He obviously lacks the integrity that even Clare Curran showed in resigning despite JA's defense of her). His handling of KB is a disgrace and the public deserves an apology from the PM as well. The amount of money spent on this that will be wasted is awful. The fact Twyford would be allowed to manage anything as important as NZTA, is laughable and completely unacceptable.

I note still no apology to National for the accusations from the coalition that they "hacked" the leaks, surprise surprise. No sackings or centures for that either. So much for accountability/transparancy as promised.

I was unsurprised to see a Newshub poll showed 80% of respondants thought that the Government was doing a "mostly poor job"

Business Confidence continues to dip despite JA's "business taskforce" which to date hasn't achieved anything worthy of mention.

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#2266719 29-Jun-2019 11:52

Twyford has been given the Economic Development Portfolio. And he has also been made responsible for planning system reform. So guessing that the economy is going to crash, and there will be no reduction in compliance costs in house building. If Kiwibuild is anything to go by.

Unless JA is actually punishing Twyford, by giving him all of the “Hospital Pass” Portfolios.

So he can be blamed when the economy crashes.

He can be blamed when people start asking why there has been no improvements to transport despite the extra fuel taxes in Auckland.

He can be blamed when nothing happens to fix planning rules and laws.

Seems that Twyford hasn't realized that he is now the “fall guy” for all of Labours failures. If he has any sense, he would immediately resign from politics.

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#2268263 2-Jul-2019 09:37

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/jacinda-ardern-admits-cancer-agency-may-not-happen-but-government-looking-into-changes.html

Another policy that won't get implemented. Surey, at some point, people need to start getting angry about promises vs delivery.

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#2268297 2-Jul-2019 10:48

Maybe, just possibly, you get angry about things that others don't. I am certainly disappointed about some aspects of this government's performance, but I wouldn't say I am angry. I feel like a parent urging my child on from the sidelines and wishing she would quit stepping on her own feet, but that doesn't stop me from loving her.

Again, the only poll that matters is the election. If the government loses, you can feel vindicated. If not, you are simply in the minority and will have to learn to live with that. Not everyone thinks the same way you do and not everyone is angered by the same things that seem to set you off.

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#2268300 2-Jul-2019 10:52

Rikkitic:

Maybe, just possibly, you get angry about things that others don't. I am certainly disappointed about some aspects of this government's performance, but I wouldn't say I am angry. I feel like a parent urging my child on from the sidelines and wishing she would quit stepping on her own feet, but that doesn't stop me from loving her.

Again, the only poll that matters is the election. If the government loses, you can feel vindicated. If not, you are simply in the minority and will have to learn to live with that. Not everyone thinks the same way you do and not everyone is angered by the same things that seem to set you off.

If the fact you were promised "world class" cancer centers and now won't be getting them, doesn't upset you, then shame on you.

I am sure the thousands of cancer sufferers won't feel the same way.

I guess, to a degree, there have been so many lies and broken promises in this Governments first term, people are just learning to accept it as the new norm. By your logic if Trump gets a second term, you'll stop with your constant critism of him, because you will be in the minority? Right, because that's not how it works.

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#2268321 2-Jul-2019 11:10

Someone very close to me has terminal cancer. His treatment at the regional hospital has been excellent. Don't you dare tell me what I should be ashamed of.

You are constantly trying to impose your values on others. If something makes you angry, you assume it should make everyone angry and you can't comprehend why it doesn't. But that's not the way it works.

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#2268323 2-Jul-2019 11:14

Bit of context, you make it sound like dealing with cancer has been cancelled

"New Zealand may not get a cancer agency, the Prime Minister has admitted.

"About six months ago the cancer action treatment expired so we're in the process now of making our first substantial overhaul of that since really Labour was last in Government.

"What I'm expecting off the back of that is them to also look at whether or not it's an agency, whether or not it's a unit within MOH, whether it's the Ministry of Health, how it is that we deliver that consistency."

The Cancer Agency may not happen, the fact is that an overhauled cancer service will happen, its the design that is being looked at.

As to the dig about cancer sufferers, the service that they already get is being overhauled. If a "Cancer Agency" may not happen, that implies they are not being looked after correctly. That may well be true, how long as that been an issue for? Why wasn't this fixed by a more responsible Govt? Was it let the market decide?

Same old drivel. Its fine to criticise, good in fact, but put it all on the table.

Its going to be overhauled, and it seems that only Labour bothers with cancer patients as they seem to be the only ones updating it.

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#2268334 2-Jul-2019 11:23

No I didn't. I stated VERY clearly what I had an issue with. YOU are the one who is imposing your agenda on it (or "drivel" as you so nastily tried to imply as usual).

Did Labour promise world class cancer centers? Yes. Are they going to deliver them as promised? No. Simple.

You keep pointing back at the prior Government, but they didn't promise cancer centers, so no-one should have an issue with them not being delivered. This Government got into power on the back of so many promises it either had no clue on how to deliver or had no intention of delivering. That should make people mad (Unless, of course dishonesty and rank incompetence is the example we want to set, and aim for).

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#2268344 2-Jul-2019 11:35

What is a cancer centre? Is a cancer service, apparently named a "centre" mean that there is no update to this service? You are latching onto a name, that will probably not be "the" name. Your post indicated that its being shelved, thats not the case, just sensationalism

Dishonesty and rank incompetence? Where do you want to start? Sneak GST up soon after an election? Be a party that has few polices and if you check the 2008 election you will see just that, everything is market driven. Did nt work out for home buyers did it? But there is NO housing crisis. Its a joke. Just remember how many things in this country are in a rubbish state. Everywhere. And your current topic of hate is being mislead as changes are happening, that only this Govt seem to make, which for health is normal

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#2268551 2-Jul-2019 15:24

So you disagree that increasing GST, which is a consumption tax, and LOWERING income tax (which you conveniently omitted in your rant) was a good thing? The VAST majority of economists said it was a fairer way to do things.

How is the new home buyer faring with all the money spent on Kiwibuild which was the "magic fix" (surprise! there is no magic fix). How is the homeless situation after nearly 2 years with Labour in power? What about Child Poverty (You may recall JA saying it was her personal top priority)? All the metrics and discussions I have seen to date show net worse situation. Business confidence at a 10 year low (I recall something about a group of high powered execs formed to help this) and OCR rates likely to be slashed, not generally a sign the economy is going to continue to boom. What about the immigration decreases? Indications are that the unemployment rate will rise (Discussion I heard in the last couple of days was that lowest paid people will be the first to go). What is the current rate of return on the regional fund (Which you may recall, cut proposed health spending by $1B)? What about trees? Cheaper doctors visits? What about all the new trades people that were supposed to be produced as a result of the education funding? Another discussion I heard about a week ago on National Radio was that recent polling say that most people feel they are worse off than they were 2 years ago, financially. Kermadec anyone?!

Let me guess:

1) It's Nationals fault.

2) They need more time because of 1)

3) See 1

For the record, what I understand a Cancer Center to be, is a *centralized* building, or in fact series of buildings, where the primary focus is the treatment of Cancer including potentially, specialised related surgeries, and research into the prevention and treatment of cancers are performed. They have them all over the world.

A poll on the street would likely yield a very similar result in opinion I'd bet.

For the record, Labour took National to task *repeatedly* over it's refusal to get specific treatments for cancer (ones with a very good success rates) funded through Pharmac, yet when they got into power, and reviewed it, the same decision was made.

No-one expects everything they promised to be done and dusted by now, but most people would expect much better than what has been delivered to date in my view.

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#2268671 2-Jul-2019 18:08

networkn:

So you disagree that increasing GST, which is a consumption tax, and LOWERING income tax (which you conveniently omitted in your rant) was a good thing? The VAST majority of economists said it was a fairer way to do things.

How is the new home buyer faring with all the money spent on Kiwibuild which was the "magic fix" (surprise! there is no magic fix). How is the homeless situation after nearly 2 years with Labour in power? What about Child Poverty (You may recall JA saying it was her personal top priority)? All the metrics and discussions I have seen to date show net worse situation. Business confidence at a 10 year low (I recall something about a group of high powered execs formed to help this) and OCR rates likely to be slashed, not generally a sign the economy is going to continue to boom. What about the immigration decreases? Indications are that the unemployment rate will rise (Discussion I heard in the last couple of days was that lowest paid people will be the first to go). What is the current rate of return on the regional fund (Which you may recall, cut proposed health spending by $1B)? What about trees? Cheaper doctors visits? What about all the new trades people that were supposed to be produced as a result of the education funding? Another discussion I heard about a week ago on National Radio was that recent polling say that most people feel they are worse off than they were 2 years ago, financially. Kermadec anyone?!

Let me guess:

1) It's Nationals fault.

2) They need more time because of 1)

3) See 1

For the record, what I understand a Cancer Center to be, is a *centralized* building, or in fact series of buildings, where the primary focus is the treatment of Cancer including potentially, specialised related surgeries, and research into the prevention and treatment of cancers are performed. They have them all over the world.

A poll on the street would likely yield a very similar result in opinion I'd bet.

For the record, Labour took National to task *repeatedly* over it's refusal to get specific treatments for cancer (ones with a very good success rates) funded through Pharmac, yet when they got into power, and reviewed it, the same decision was made.

No-one expects everything they promised to be done and dusted by now, but most people would expect much better than what has been delivered to date in my view.

You are so angry its embarrasing. We all know here your measured and good posts, but on this topic you are angry. Very angry. You cannot have a considered debate on National vs Labour as its a hate topic for you. Ask anyone. There are many here who have no issue discussing this. I disagree with Nationals past that's why I gave up. I dont get angry I say why. You cannot let go of your various adjectives.

Now, to educate you. I dod not say I disagree with increasing GST. Dont make things up again.You whinge about breaking promises, (i'll get back to the Cancer venter that you mislead as usual) but its ok to campaign, then keep secret the desire to raise GST (as voters wOnt like that) So thats ok? So you feel misleading is ok? Why didn't National campaign on increasing GST?

Kiwibuild

Ok, ignore what I said. What I said is National didnt deal with the housing crisis. Ok, they said there is no hooding crisis. So you can bag KB? Yeah, I would too. Except there need to be a fix for what National failed upon. But you ignore that. Yes, KB failed. Why? As thanks to National, there is now no way for an affordable house for tens of thousand of kiwis. House prices went too far to allow that remote possibility. But ignore that, blame the fix that did not work, and ignore the cause

The homeless situation after 2 years in power. KB has failed, as there is no way around affordability. Nationals fault or not, thats a fact. Labour has increased Govt builds, i.e. social housing by a margin. The private market has added plenty of housing (good but not that relevant) Affordability has ended. Greens are looking at other options, lease to buy etc, thats worthwhile. BUT, after all this, you expect homeless to be foxed instantly?

Child Poverty

Show me the links where it is blatantly clear it has failed. What surprises me, is that after 9 years of National you have excuses, yet Labour has supposed to fix everything in 2 years? I do get that as there is a LOT that has to be fixed. You may recall the last budget was a Well Being budget. It wasn't a no policy, lets bank the surplus budget

My god, m tea is ready. Why is it you expect all these things to be resolved when your party did nothing?Why did you not mention, teachers, nurses and doctors strikes? Because as we know, like most things (and I dont blame National for everything unlike your posts) these issues are long standing. When Labour got power, that didnt cause a sudden "hey we are poor" from teachers, nurses and doctors. To name a few. You could also include transport (Oh yeah, the masses are nagging lets build a motorway) or election year, lets do a Labour Tax cut bribe)

If you want to bitch, look at the last 20 years. Choose then who to blame. You will find its both parties. And if you knew anything about National, you would consider when I bag Labour, why are Labour having these policies? Because of last failures. Pure and simple. You know as well as anyone that National avoids policies. Thats fine, less to bitch about. But less DONE. That is todays issue. NOT DONE

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#2268674 2-Jul-2019 18:13

Furthermore lol,once you lose the anger, lose the glasses, and can have an active robust debate without 34 adjectives, you may see that there are clear failings with National. and clear failings with Labour. Then you can do what others do here, discuss.

My priority is NZ. Yours is National.

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#2268680 2-Jul-2019 18:17

So if we just had a National government instead of a Labour one, all that would somehow get better? Is that right? Like it did in the nine years before there was a Labour government?

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#2268689 2-Jul-2019 18:33

Rikkitic:

So if we just had a National government instead of a Labour one, all that would somehow get better? Is that right? Like it did in the nine years before there was a Labour government?

Thats my point. There are a large number of sectors in peril. Labour didnt cause that, they inherited that. Yet they get bagged, why we conveniently ignore why many policies happen to exist in the first place. But we cant discuss that.Its bizarre to say the least.

Take Kiwibuild. Yes, it hasnt worked, as the housing crisis went too far to allow affordable homes for the masses. What failed was the basis. Labour didn't cause that. Did national "cause" that? Not directly, but they ignored the facets that allowed foreign rich people to set prices.

But like everything, National showed economic stewardship. Thats is a joke of the largest proportions. They showed ignorance and tight purse strings, let the market sort it out, but no issue with tax cuts galore in election year. That is a massive insult. Economic negligence.

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#2269015 3-Jul-2019 08:54

tdgeek:

Take Kiwibuild. Yes, it hasnt worked, as the housing crisis went too far to allow affordable homes for the masses. What failed was the basis. Labour didn't cause that. Did national "cause" that? Not directly, but they ignored the facets that allowed foreign rich people to set prices.

But like everything, National showed economic stewardship. Thats is a joke of the largest proportions. They showed ignorance and tight purse strings, let the market sort it out, but no issue with tax cuts galore in election year. That is a massive insult. Economic negligence.

They did however campagin on land/planning reform to reduce land prices. They haven't done that. National hasn't 'caused' Labour's inaction once they got into Government.

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