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  #2527054 22-Jul-2020 12:33
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freitasm:

 

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The "civil war in America in all but name." is not a consequence of the "Dems never have accepted Hillary's defeat" but a consequence of oppressed minorities, institutional racism, government crumbling during a pandemic and more.

 

 

 

 

Hmm, I am not sure how America is supposed to be "systemically racist" though. Obama was elected twice, and wouldn't have been if not for the votes of a great number of white people. Would a racist country do that? And as far as the cities where the protests are happening, they are all run by Democrats who are mostly not white. 

 

 

 

To start, you have as the city Mayor, Jacob Frey, an avowed leftist who follows a string of Democratic liberal leaders. The last time a Republican was elected to run the city was 1957. The police chief of Minneapolis is Medaria Arradondo, a black police official. The federal representative for the city, in Washington, is the famed female POC Ilhan Omar, and the top cop for the state is another POC and former head of the DNC, Attorney General Keith Ellison. Are these the leaders perpetuating the culture of white supremacy?

 

Just to add to the list, you have Minnesota headed by Democrat Tim Walz, the state is served by two Democrat senators, including Amy Klobuchar who spent years as an acting state attorney in a few offices, and even the sister city of Saint Paul has as its Mayor, Melvin Carter, another POC leader. These would be the people operating the ‘’racist and prejudicial system and culture’’.

 

So yeh, I don't see where this charge of racism comes in 🙁

 

As far as minorities, Trump has done more for minorities than Obama ever did. Trump has pushed funding for historically black colleges and universities, the criminal justice reforms of the First Step Act and policies aimed at boosting the economies of depressed areas of the country through “opportunity zones” that were included in the Trump tax cuts of 2017. What did Obama do?

 

 


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  #2527056 22-Jul-2020 12:37
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You really don't see that current events started as a consequence of racist policies and they are mostly on more Liberal cities exactly because in other cities people wouldn't even be out or there would be no support?




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  #2527063 22-Jul-2020 12:52
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freitasm: You really don't see that current events started as a consequence of racist policies and they are mostly on more Liberal cities exactly because in other cities people wouldn't even be out or there would be no support?

 

I admit, I don't really understand. What racist policies? And if the policies are more racist in cities run by liberal Democrats, then I'm not sure what the protesters are protesting for. A change in leadership to another Democrat who wasn't as racist? And most of their leaders are black. I have the feeling that the objectives of BLM lie way outside wanting to help minorities.

 

 


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  #2527068 22-Jul-2020 13:04
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Jos1969:

 

Hmm, I am not sure how America is supposed to be "systemically racist" though. Obama was elected twice, and wouldn't have been if not for the votes of a great number of white people. Would a racist country do that? And as far as the cities where the protests are happening, they are all run by Democrats who are mostly not white. 

 

 

Watch the movie "13th", then come back if you want to have a sensible conversation.

 

It'll only take 100 minutes of your life.


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  #2527074 22-Jul-2020 13:06
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Jos1969:

 

I have the feeling that the objectives of BLM lie way outside wanting to help minorities.

 

 

That feeling you have is "conspiracy theory".  


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  #2527075 22-Jul-2020 13:07
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Jos1969: Trump has pushed funding for historically black colleges and universities ... and policies aimed at boosting the economies of depressed areas of the country through “opportunity zones” that were included in the Trump tax cuts of 2017.


From "AP FACT CHECK: Trump's Davos Remarks Rife With Distortion"

...BLACK COLLEGES

TRUMP, on historically black colleges and universities: “I saved historically black colleges and universities. We saved them. They were going out and we saved them.”

THE FACTS: That's a big stretch.

Trump signed a law in December restoring money that lapsed for several months when Congress failed to reauthorize some $255 million in financing on time. The money came back because Senate education leaders reached a compromise on a broader dispute that had entangled financing for black schools.

Neither the lapse nor the restoration was directly tied in any way to the Trump administration.

The Trump administration generally has supported historically black colleges, as previous administrations have done, and it's true that such schools have faced financial struggles and some have closed. The Trump administration has expanded access to federal support for black schools with religious affiliations and in 2018 forgave federal loans given to several of them after hurricanes.

But this segment of university education was not vanishing and Trump is not its savior.
...
HOUSEHOLD INCOME

TRUMP: "Real median household income is at the highest level ever recorded."

THE FACTS: Not really, but it would be misleading even if it were true. Real median household income in 2018 matched the previous high of $63,200 first reached in 1999. That's according to adjusted figures the Census Bureau released to account for changes in its surveys over time.

Trump is presumably referring to an unadjusted number that does show the 2018 figure as the highest on record. Either way, what the data show is that income for the median household — the one at the exact middle of the income distribution — essentially stagnated for nearly 20 years. The Census data also show that household income fell sharply after the Great Recession, then began rebounding in 2015, before Trump took office.

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  #2527079 22-Jul-2020 13:13
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Jos1969: Trump has pushed for the criminal justice reforms of the First Step Act


Scoop: Trump regrets Kushner advice on prison reform

President Trump has told people in recent days that he regrets following some of son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner's political advice — including supporting criminal justice reform — and will stick closer to his own instincts, three people with direct knowledge of the president's thinking tell Axios.

Behind the scenes: One person who spoke with the president interpreted his thinking this way: "No more of Jared's woke s***." Another said Trump has indicated that following Kushner's advice has harmed him politically.

...Trump never really wanted criminal justice reform, according to people who have discussed the subject with him privately. He's told them he only supported it because Kushner asked him to. Though he has repeatedly trumpeted it as a politically useful policy at times.

Trump now says privately it was misguided to pursue this policy, undercutting his instincts, and that he probably won't win any more African American support because of it.
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  #2527080 22-Jul-2020 13:15
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FineWine:

NO WAY will the Joint Chiefs of Staff stand behind him or the Secretary of Defence who is a political appointee. They detest DJT and are not very fond of the SoD either especially not since that church stunt.

 

 

It goes back further than that, shortly after he was elected some high-level military folks commented, very off-the-record, that they were prepared to disobey orders from Trump if they violated legal/constitutional principles.

 

 

Having said that, now that Trump has created a paramilitary goon squad to take action against civilians, who knows how much normalisation of deviance he'll be able to get away with before November, and what his goons will do to support him.

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  #2527088 22-Jul-2020 13:33
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Jos1969:As far as minorities, Trump has done more for minorities than Obama ever did.


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  #2527089 22-Jul-2020 13:34
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Fred99:

 

Jos1969:

 

I have the feeling that the objectives of BLM lie way outside wanting to help minorities.

 

 

That feeling you have is "conspiracy theory".  

 

 

 

 

I will just leave this here - 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgEUbSzOTZ8

 

 

 

It's not a conspiracy theory when the founder of BLM says something out of her own mouth.


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  #2527091 22-Jul-2020 13:36
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Jos1969:

As far as minorities, Trump has done more for minorities than Obama ever did.

 

 

Ah, I see where you've gone wrong there. Trump has done more to minorities than Obama ever did.

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  #2527093 22-Jul-2020 13:39
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kingdragonfly:
Jos1969:As far as minorities, Trump has done more for minorities than Obama ever did.


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Well, tell me what Obama, the first black president, did to help black people...


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  #2527094 22-Jul-2020 13:41
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Jos1969:

 

Fred99:

 

That feeling you have is "conspiracy theory".  

 

 

I will just leave this here - 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgEUbSzOTZ8

 

It's not a conspiracy theory when the founder of BLM says something out of her own mouth.

 

 

I've read so many wrong and conflicting opinions that I will ignore your posts from now.





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  #2527095 22-Jul-2020 13:42
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Jos1969:

 

Well, tell me what Obama, the first black president, did to help black people...

 

 

Obama is not the current president. Obama is not a candidate.





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  #2527143 22-Jul-2020 13:53
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Jos1969: Well, tell me what Obama, the first black president, did to help black people...



You've answered your own question. Seriously you're making this too easy.


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