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Rikkitic

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#3495837 27-May-2026 13:35

kingdragonfly:
gzt: Among the deplorables ... claims jews are waiting for a christian antichrist

"Jews are waiting for a Christian antichrist" is a textbook antisemitic trope.

It falsely claims Jews are aligned with an evil figure, and are secretly plotting the downfall of Christianity.

Christian eschatology does assign roles to Jews at the Second coming, including the red heifer ritual, and the Third Temple, and Jews directly confronted by Jesus.

But importantly these are Christian beliefs about Jews.

(I'm intentionally leaving out return of Jews to Israel / Zionism because it's complex)

They do realize Jesus was around 5'2" / 157 cm with Jew of Middle Eastern birth. He was not of northern European appearance, and I don't remember seeing Jesus being albino in the Bible.

And the term “antichrist” was first written into the Bible about 65 years after Jesus’s death, and only by John four times.

"Antichrist" is a Christian theological concept, not Jewish.

I tend to avoid these discussions because I don't feel I have anything to contribute other than another uninformed opinion. I am not Jewish, I have not studied theology, and my knowledge of religious history is limited, to say the least.

But I do have what some might term a left/progressive perspective and so I do have an uninformed opinion. I think a huge problem is that many people seem unable to distinguish between Jews and Israel. The two are not the same. My understanding, admittedly limited, is that Jewishness is a religion and culture, Israel a country. The two overlap but are not the same. Blaming Jewish people wherever they live for Israeli political policies, is incorrect and stupid. I believe the actions of Israel in Gaza and elsewhere are criminal and abhorrent, but I do not comprehend what that has to do with Jewish people and their families peacefully celebrating a religious holiday in Australia or the USA. People who make this connection must have some kind of mental deficiency. Jews in or out of Israel may or may not support Israel's policies, but even if they do, threatening them or anyone else with violence can never be acceptable. It is the last resort of the stupid.

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#3495875 27-May-2026 14:56

Rikkitic:

I tend to avoid these discussions because I don't feel I have anything to contribute other than another uninformed opinion. I am not Jewish, I have not studied theology, and my knowledge of religious history is limited, to say the least.

But I do have what some might term a left/progressive perspective and so I do have an uninformed opinion. I think a huge problem is that many people seem unable to distinguish between Jews and Israel. The two are not the same. My understanding, admittedly limited, is that Jewishness is a religion and culture, Israel a country. The two overlap but are not the same. Blaming Jewish people wherever they live for Israeli political policies, is incorrect and stupid. I believe the actions of Israel in Gaza and elsewhere are criminal and abhorrent, but I do not comprehend what that has to do with Jewish people and their families peacefully celebrating a religious holiday in Australia or the USA. People who make this connection must have some kind of mental deficiency. Jews in or out of Israel may or may not support Israel's policies, but even if they do, threatening them or anyone else with violence can never be acceptable. It is the last resort of the stupid.

Agree fully with what you have said.

For myself I am agnostic. I may not believe in A Religion, but I do have Faith.

I have Faith in those I love. I have Faith in my Family. I have Faith in others whose Faith is the same as mine.

Faith is profoundly individualistic and immutable and incorruptible.
Religion is a social construct,
made by Man for Man to explain Faith,
therefore it is fallible.

Do I have Faith that the people of Israel and the rest of the Middle East will do the right thing and respect and honour each other's Religion, no I do not, because Religion is fallible? It is easily misinterpreted to suit the requirements of the political and personal needs and wants of the time.

Do I have Faith in Trump and his respective arse lickers, no I do not, because these people are in it for themselves and no one else. Trump swore a pledge when he took office. Unfortunately, in his mind it went something like this; "...to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect, defend and enrich me and my family and faithful believers in Me." Trump is his own faith!

The Christian Bible has gone through many rewrites and editions to fulfil the political and greed purposes of the time, and Trump is trying to do the same thing with Executive Powers and branches of government for his own purposes.

As a side note: The Quran has had hardly any changes from the original edition.

Whilst I can understand that Israel wants national and regional security and stability so it can obtain international recognition of its own sovereignty, a highly ambitious aim it has always wanted since foundation in 1948. But because the Israelites and Arabs have always contested historical and ancestral claims on this area of the Middle East, this is a contention that will never be solved, with Jerusalem being the most hotly contested area of it all. And people like Trump will use this for their own nefarious purposes. Just look at the oil index and stock exchanges over the last 6 weeks and over his entire term so far.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#3500656 5-Jun-2026 20:36

Huh, I thought New Zealand was Peter Theil bolt-hole / bug out point.

He co-founded the notorious Palantir which bypasses the Fourth Amendment, the U.S. constitutional amendment that protects American citizens from illegal government surveillance, but not corporate surveillance years before he came a citizen. See the The New York Times, The Washington Post, "ACLU" and "Electronic Frontier Foundation" for more info on Palantir alleged US government overreach.

Locally New Zealand’s Security Intelligence Service (SIS), Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB), and Defence Force have all been documented as Palantir clients. They have used Palantir’s data‑analysis tools, and even job postings referenced Palantir skill requirements.

You'll remember Peter was granted New Zealand citizenship on 30 June 2011, under the “exceptional circumstances” provision of the Citizenship Act. The clause is intended for public‑interest cases, often humanitarian or otherwise exceptional.

Peter Theil is an expert on the anti-Christ, and talks publicly about the anti-Christ frequently is exceptional, so that checks out.

Minister of Internal Affairs was Nathan Guy, under Prime Minister John Key. Nathan Guy said "great ambassador and salesperson for New Zealand." Funny, the only time in the last 10 years Peter has mentioned New Zealand was a Joe Rogan podcast: Thiel mentions NZ as a preferred destination when possibly leaving California and said "strong preference for New Zealand." That's it. One time in 10 years. That's his "great ambassador and salesperson for New Zealand."

Peter Thiel's move to Argentina reflects a growing trend among billionaires seeking a 'plan B' abroad: Business Insider

Peter Thiel appears to have found a new bug-out spot. He isn't alone in looking beyond America's shores.

The PayPal and Palantir cofounder and prominent libertarian has been spending more time in Argentina, The New York Times reported, where he has enrolled his children in school and bought a home in one of Buenos Aires' wealthiest neighborhoods.

Among the ultrawealthy, that fits a larger pattern. The rich are treating their lives in America like part of an investment portfolio: still worth betting on, but increasingly in need of a hedge.

"There's a clear trend toward sovereign diversification," Charlie Garcia, founder of centimillionaire membership club R360, said, including "multiple passports, multiple tax regimes, and at least one 'Plan B' jurisdiction in the Southern Hemisphere."

There are plenty of places competing to become the new billionaire hot spot. Last year, New Zealand saw a spike in American applications after relaxing rules around its golden visa investment program. Costa Rica and Thailand have also seen jumps in the number of high-earning migrants.
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#3500657 5-Jun-2026 20:41

The thing about the rules being relaxed is that some millionaires already complained about the existing tax regime making it "harder" for them to invest.

The vultures basically just want another tax free country. And the current government might do it. You know, for the rich.

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#3500659 5-Jun-2026 20:55

Could they revoke his citizenship? I mean, it's not like he's really lived here or contributed much (if anything) to the economy, right? (as kingdragonfly points out above - he's hardly been a cheerleader for the country or anything).

What purpose does him having citizenship serve?

My partner has lived here for years, contributed to the economy, assimilated, etc. She has citizenship - but I feel like she earned it, as opposed to buying it.

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