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  #3242632 30-May-2024 10:03
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GV27:

 

Increasing the tax thresholds each year would mean you never get huge one-off cuts, but the governments of the day don't get to dip into a grab bag of excuses for 14 years while they tell the electorate their costs are going up, but you're going to be taxed as if yours are still the same as they were in 2010. 

 

If anything, the fact we can't afford to do a massive one-off alignment is proof that the decision needs to be taken out of politicians' hands.

 

 

 

 

 

 

At which point more stuff becomes "User pays" which is worse.
HOWEVER a better solution is to have a graduated tax regime for businesses too

 

And court fines need to be based on a % of income so the same kind of "deterrence " is applied no matter what you earn.

 

Also compulsory travel insurance for tourists entering NZ.




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  #3242634 30-May-2024 10:05
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GV27:

 

I don't recall the same level of existential angst over that. 

 

 

 

 

The Labour Party did not make it a campaign point that they would be going through department budgets line by line.

 

 

 

 

The spin on that is they made cuts through financial ignorance...

 

And lots of cuts get made through "deferred maintenance" which is an extremely poor solution as it ends up costing far more.


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  #3242635 30-May-2024 10:06
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sir1963:

 

Also compulsory travel insurance for tourists entering NZ.

 

 

Ah but that's red tape and will kill the tourism industry. And we can't have that. Everyone needs to pay for the tourism industry to survive. Even if it means my tax paying for the profits of the ski operators.

 

Because all trickle-down...

 

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  #3242637 30-May-2024 10:07
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All the current government has done is exactly what Robertson did in the lead-up to the 2023 election, which is instruct departments to find cuts they could make. I don't recall the same level of existential angst over that. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me that it was 'prudent and smart stewardship' when he did it. But it's extremely bad now. 

 

 

Cuts by anyone to make things more cost effective is fine, but we have cuts on top of cuts, and looking at what is cut you have to ask is it because its still wasteful spending or is to to finance a vote?


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  #3242638 30-May-2024 10:09
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tdgeek:

 

End of the day NZ is tiny, half the population of greater Los Angeles. Even though the Govt gets "free money" NZ is still hamstrung due to a low population. We have no economic scale for taxes and infrastructure and health education, etc. If you assist one of those, you cut back the others, which is what we are seeing. Now if the tax cuts were a boon to income earners, ok that helps, but they aren't. 

 

 

Increasing the tax thresholds each year would mean you never get huge one-off cuts, but the governments of the day don't get to dip into a grab bag of excuses for 14 years while they tell the electorate their costs are going up, but you're going to be taxed as if yours are still the same as they were in 2010. 

 

If anything, the fact we can't afford to do a massive one-off alignment is proof that the decision needs to be taken out of politicians' hands.

 

 

 

 

Are we getting annual threshold changes?


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  #3242641 30-May-2024 10:23
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sir1963:

 

GV27:

 

Increasing the tax thresholds each year would mean you never get huge one-off cuts, but the governments of the day don't get to dip into a grab bag of excuses for 14 years while they tell the electorate their costs are going up, but you're going to be taxed as if yours are still the same as they were in 2010. 

 

If anything, the fact we can't afford to do a massive one-off alignment is proof that the decision needs to be taken out of politicians' hands.

 

 

 

 

 

 

At which point more stuff becomes "User pays" which is worse.
HOWEVER a better solution is to have a graduated tax regime for businesses too

 

And court fines need to be based on a % of income so the same kind of "deterrence " is applied no matter what you earn.

 

Also compulsory travel insurance for tourists entering NZ.

 

 

 

 

100%!





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  #3242643 30-May-2024 10:24
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Are we getting annual threshold changes?

 

 

 

 

Last I heard they backed off that during coalition negotiations. 





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  #3242647 30-May-2024 10:31
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SaltyNZ:

 

tdgeek:

 

Are we getting annual threshold changes?

 

 

 

 

Last I heard they backed off that during coalition negotiations. 

 

 

Ah ok, I thought in the election campaign it was here are the tax cuts and 2026 "if we can" there will be a threshold change, so the hard right cut that

 

 


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  #3242653 30-May-2024 10:54
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freitasm:

 

sir1963:

 

Also compulsory travel insurance for tourists entering NZ.

 

 

Ah but that's red tape and will kill the tourism industry. And we can't have that. Everyone needs to pay for the tourism industry to survive. Even if it means my tax paying for the profits of the ski operators.

 

Because all trickle-down...

 

/sarcasm

 

 

 

 

And the 10s of millions in unpaid medical bill left by tourists...


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  #3242656 30-May-2024 10:57
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Cuts by anyone to make things more cost effective is fine, but we have cuts on top of cuts, and looking at what is cut you have to ask is it because its still wasteful spending or is to to finance a vote?

 

 

I have a hard time believing that Robertson's primary interest was cost-effectiveness given he didn't seem to place much weight on it during the previous five years, and everything to do with they fact they backed off from the tax policies they were going to use to continue funding huge levels of spending. They were still spending money on Light Rail ($200m+ for 0m and counting) and had billions of dollars of transport spending they hadn't funded. The reality is he was always going to have to go far further than his initial 4%, perhaps as far or further than National is now. 

 

Put the 'cuts on top of cuts' in the context of how much NZ was spending when the English government left power and you don't even have anything approaching a 'cut' - you've got somewhere between light abrasion, or perhaps getting hit by a gentle breeze.

 

As for 'cuts to finance a vote' - what about the spending that got us into this mess in the first place? 


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  #3242658 30-May-2024 11:03
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As for 'cuts to finance a vote' - what about the spending that got us into this mess in the first place? 

 

 

Which mess? Inflation etc etc? There were two issues that caused that here and everywhere irregardless of what party/regime was in power, all of which is quietly swept under the carpet


 
 
 

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  #3242659 30-May-2024 11:10
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Tough on crime... Mama Hooch rapists will not be deported to Australia after release

 

If this government were really tough on crime, they would change the law to allow deportation at any time. These rapists are residents, not citizens.

 

The government managed to repeal laws in record time before.





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  #3242670 30-May-2024 11:44
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Which mess? Inflation etc etc? There were two issues that caused that here and everywhere irregardless of what party/regime was in power, all of which is quietly swept under the carpet

 

 

New Zealand was already spending up large in the lead-up to Covid with little to show for it. We've had this discussion before and it's clear we see it differently, but there's definitely no shortage of people who want to make excuses for the previous government's ballooning spending and seem to think we should have doubled-down on it. Quite how they expected taxpayers to pay even more tax, and an additional social security levy, as well as paying record prices for their own living costs seems to have been entirely secondary at best, and a nuisance at worst. 

 

As someone with interest rates that are about to double and then some, I'm not prepared to be so charitable. 


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  #3242674 30-May-2024 11:57
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Meh. One man's spending is another's wise investment for the future.





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  #3242675 30-May-2024 11:58
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GV27:

 

As someone with interest rates that are about to double and then some, I'm not prepared to be so charitable. 

 

 

 

 

Only about to double? Wow, you've been having a good run. Ours doubled two years ago.





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