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#3244274 4-Jun-2024 11:27

michaelmurfy:

Good ole whataboutism aside you're forgetting Covid was also a thing around that time also...

You're also forgetting that the government was making huge errors in these things well before Covid, and before Covid it was looking decidedly shakey as to whether Labour would have achieved anything at all by the time the next election rolled around with Bridges getting good traction on the infrastructure issues and lack of progress on much of anything.

The 2020 election was far from a done deal for Labour and had National not imploded during lock-down, it would have been a pretty close-run affair.

But I agree yes, it's absolutely whataboutism. National need to stand on their own two feet. The ACC and Pharmac shortfalls are of concern, they are predictable enough in advance of taking office. The fact they didn't press Labour about them in opposition is confusing.

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#3244324 4-Jun-2024 11:32

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Absolutely its a broken promise. But how long before it was acknowledged Kiwibuild was a broken promise?

Are we saying breaking a promise is fine if the previous government broke a promise?

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#3244328 4-Jun-2024 11:52

GV27: But I agree yes, it's absolutely whataboutism. National need to stand on their own two feet. The ACC and Pharmac shortfalls are of concern, they are predictable enough in advance of taking office. The fact they didn't press Labour about them in opposition is confusing.

Considering the numbers were released before National took office the "Fiscal Bombs" they keep mentioning were actually only a surprise to those who read the books at the last minute but normal for every other time govt switched hands...

Nicola is just inexperienced and frankly bad with numbers because nothing has been "rock solid". It's irresponsible to borrow for tax cuts like they've done despite saying it is "fully funded".

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#3244330 4-Jun-2024 11:57

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ockel:

Absolutely its a broken promise. But how long before it was acknowledged Kiwibuild was a broken promise?

Are we saying breaking a promise is fine if the previous government broke a promise?

Nope. We're saying we hold all of our politicians to account rather than blindly accepting excuses because they suit our political viewpoint.

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#3244335 4-Jun-2024 12:04

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Shadowfoot:

ockel:

Absolutely its a broken promise. But how long before it was acknowledged Kiwibuild was a broken promise?

Are we saying breaking a promise is fine if the previous government broke a promise?

Nope. We're saying we hold all of our politicians to account rather than blindly accepting excuses because they suit our political viewpoint.

The previous post was the definition of whataboutism. All politicians should be accountable. Now it's National's turn. What they do is about their values and how they do them. Not about any other government or party.

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#3244337 4-Jun-2024 12:05

michaelmurfy:

Good ole whataboutism aside you're forgetting Covid was also a thing around that time also...

And lets conveniently forget that even after Covid, instead of spending returning to normalised levels it continued to increase and increase. And in the face of higher inflation, fuelling the non-tradables inflation further. Working against the tighter monetary policy.

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#3244338 4-Jun-2024 12:07

@ockel:

michaelmurfy:

Good ole whataboutism aside you're forgetting Covid was also a thing around that time also...

And lets conveniently forget that even after Covid, instead of spending returning to normalised levels it continued to increase and increase. And in the face of higher inflation, fuelling the non-tradables inflation further. Working against the tighter monetary policy.

I see you can't let go of whataboutism, and you are not discussing this in good faith. You are blocked from this topic now.

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#3244383 4-Jun-2024 13:32

michaelmurfy:

Considering the numbers were released before National took office the "Fiscal Bombs" they keep mentioning were actually only a surprise to those who read the books at the last minute but normal for every other time govt switched hands...

Nicola is just inexperienced and frankly bad with numbers because nothing has been "rock solid". It's irresponsible to borrow for tax cuts like they've done despite saying it is "fully funded".

An ACC shortfall is kind of a right of passage for incoming Governments, I'm amazed no one tries to position themselves on this in the lead-up to an election. It's sort of predictable at this point, and even then you'd expect to hear something about it once the incoming ministers are briefed, not the week after the Budget some months later. But then again I guess that would require someone to accept their promised policies their campaign hinges on might need to be curtailed if they have to fill a leaky bucket somewhere else.

So there's probably some further bad news for registration fees coming down the line, as this is usually how the ACC gap gets plugged which I don't think either party would have been able to avoid (or have done much to actively avoid doing it).

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#3244388 4-Jun-2024 13:46

GV27:

So there's probably some further bad news for registration fees coming down the line, as this is usually how the ACC gap gets plugged which I don't think either party would have been able to avoid (or have done much to actively avoid doing it).

Well, worse bad news coming down the line.

They have already priced in registration fee rises starting in 2026. Those I am in two minds about - even with the announced rises NZ registration fees are far lower than Australia. The actual registration part of the registration fee is (from memory) less than a third of the ~$150 for a normal car with the rest being ACC. In Australia the registration fee is more than $700, and you need to get compulsory third party person insurance (very roughly equivalent to ACC's purpose in this respect) on top of that.

OTOH, even small fee increases will inevitably hit the poorest most of all.

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#3244394 4-Jun-2024 14:08

SaltyNZ:

Well, worse bad news coming down the line.

They have already priced in registration fee rises starting in 2026. Those I am in two minds about - even with the announced rises NZ registration fees are far lower than Australia. The actual registration part of the registration fee is (from memory) less than a third of the ~$150 for a normal car with the rest being ACC. In Australia the registration fee is more than $700, and you need to get compulsory third party person insurance (very roughly equivalent to ACC's purpose in this respect) on top of that.

OTOH, even small fee increases will inevitably hit the poorest most of all.

Just crank up EV RUC then I guess

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#3244398 4-Jun-2024 14:42

GV27:

Just crank up EV RUC then I guess

What does the EV RUC have to do with ACC shortfall?

EDIT: I presume you mean because of this? I had not considered that...

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#3244399 4-Jun-2024 14:51

SaltyNZ:

What does the EV RUC have to do with ACC shortfall?

That and it seems to be their go-to group to wring a few extra cents out of or take one for the team. Being weirdly punitive towards EV owners with the current RUC rate does however extremely undermine their ability to claw that kind of thing back from them with further hikes though.

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#3244468 4-Jun-2024 17:16

SaltyNZ:

They have already priced in registration fee rises starting in 2026. Those I am in two minds about - even with the announced rises NZ registration fees are far lower than Australia. The actual registration part of the registration fee is (from memory) less than a third of the ~$150 for a normal car with the rest being ACC. In Australia the registration fee is more than $700, and you need to get compulsory third party person insurance (very roughly equivalent to ACC's purpose in this respect) on top of that.

That is not typically the case. The CTP is included in that figure. The misconception likely arises because the registration fee is charged based on the number of cylinders (example using Queensland's costs) - a V8 has a registration cost over $700, but lesser ones not so much.

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#3244546 4-Jun-2024 22:57

National seem to be upset about Kainga Ora just as it's moving forward to build housing stock fit for purpose for their tennant profile

https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018940305/a-crisis-at-kainga-ora

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#3244580 5-Jun-2024 07:27

gzt: National seem to be upset about Kainga Ora just as it's moving forward to build housing stock fit for purpose for their tennant profile

ROTFLMAO. They are building kennels.
I know of one they want to build (I was at the public meeting about it) it was going to be 92 Units, a mixture of single and double, up to 3 stories high.
There would be 85 carparks
The "green space" was 100m2 while they would have about 120+ people there.
They would have a mixture of people with disabilities , mental health issues, criminals, anti-social people etc all jammed in together.
There is no place to sit outside to "decompress" to get away from people and noise, no place for gardens, hobbies.
They are surrounded by people who will trigger them and they trigger others
The response to the bad management they have to bad tenants was "The newspapers did us no favours", they failed to take responsibility.
They used all the BS Bingo words "Wrap around services" etc, would have a 0800 number (which would go to an answer service) and be acted on the next working day (maybe), No on site supervisor.
They said there would be 2 unconnected driveways because they did not want to create a racetrack...

I am 100% behind Kainga Ora housing, but not when they create new kennels just to "house" as many as they can in one spot. They are creating new slums and damaging the community around them. They need to spread them out so there is no concentration of problems jammed into one area.

"build housing stock fit for purpose for their tennant profile" is just more BS Bingo.

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