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#2341399 21-Oct-2019 14:53

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Which is where Wind power, solar power, micro hydro power, reverse pumped hydro storage, Battery Storage, energy efficiency , etc etc all come into play.

It does not need to be fossil fuel based, nor does it need to be a massive hydro scheme.

One day. All of those things. Wind has yet to go big, or even medium. Its rare like a steak. Solar is uneconomical for most homes. Id love it, but its not worth it by a long margin . Battery storage is worse.

One or two Hydros would be a boost to us. Wind can be but its not happening . Great ideas but like many things Climate Change related, its a lot of talk and little action

Looking out my window I see a large number of wind turbines

Wind generation in NZ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_New_Zealand

"In the 2017 calendar year, wind power produced 2,120 GWh of electricity, 5 percent of the country's electricity generation that year."

And the land underneath the turbines is still farmed.

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#2341403 21-Oct-2019 15:06

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.....Wind can be but its not happening . Great ideas but like many things Climate Change related, its a lot of talk and little action

There are many wind generating plants happening. One just has to fly over Wellington, Wairarapa and Manawatu to see some large examples

Not many

New Zealand has 17 wind farms comprised of 490 turbines. These wind farms currently have a combined installed capacity of 690 MW and supply nearly 6% of New Zealand’s annual electricity generation. Most wind farms are connected to distributed networks with only Tararua (stage 3), Te Apiti and West Wind being grid connected. The most recent wind farm constructed was Flat Hill in 2015.

Nothing in 4 years. NZ Windfarms, listed, is failing. Its either too hard, or not worth it. From a review a few months ago, posted here by someone, its not worth NZ being 100% renewable, it will cost too much. I assume thats factually correct, so much for climate change desire

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#2341405 21-Oct-2019 15:08

It's ok, we can eat the money we saved!

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#2341408 21-Oct-2019 15:09

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Looking out my window I see a large number of wind turbines

Wind generation in NZ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_New_Zealand

"In the 2017 calendar year, wind power produced 2,120 GWh of electricity, 5 percent of the country's electricity generation that year."

And the land underneath the turbines is still farmed.

6% now. If you see a large number does that mean we all see a large number or any number? I see the Alps and wind, no turbines. If we were serious they would be far more prominent in volume.

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#2341411 21-Oct-2019 15:27

tdgeek:

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Looking out my window I see a large number of wind turbines

Wind generation in NZ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_New_Zealand

"In the 2017 calendar year, wind power produced 2,120 GWh of electricity, 5 percent of the country's electricity generation that year."

And the land underneath the turbines is still farmed.

6% now. If you see a large number does that mean we all see a large number or any number? I see the Alps and wind, no turbines. If we were serious they would be far more prominent in volume.

http://www.windenergy.org.nz/

Also you cant see wind, you see the result of wind😇

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#2341412 21-Oct-2019 15:30

@tdgeek it will cost NZ considerably more not being 100% renewable.

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#2341414 21-Oct-2019 15:31

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tdgeek:

sir1963:

Looking out my window I see a large number of wind turbines

Wind generation in NZ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_New_Zealand

"In the 2017 calendar year, wind power produced 2,120 GWh of electricity, 5 percent of the country's electricity generation that year."

And the land underneath the turbines is still farmed.

6% now. If you see a large number does that mean we all see a large number or any number? I see the Alps and wind, no turbines. If we were serious they would be far more prominent in volume.

http://www.windenergy.org.nz/

Also you cant see wind, you see the result of wind😇

Thanks Mike, I'll digest later

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#2341415 21-Oct-2019 15:32

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@tdgeek it will cost NZ considerably more not being 100% renewable.

Precisely, I can only add one +1 should be 100

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#2341418 21-Oct-2019 15:38

tdgeek:

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Looking out my window I see a large number of wind turbines

Wind generation in NZ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_New_Zealand

"In the 2017 calendar year, wind power produced 2,120 GWh of electricity, 5 percent of the country's electricity generation that year."

And the land underneath the turbines is still farmed.

6% now. If you see a large number does that mean we all see a large number or any number? I see the Alps and wind, no turbines. If we were serious they would be far more prominent in volume.

I can't see any hydro dams.

However the issue is working through resource consents that takes times. There were years of hearings before construction started for the ones in the Manawatu. But after that, they were up and they were generating far faster than a damn would have been.

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#2341428 21-Oct-2019 16:01

Damn, a damned dam!

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#2341443 21-Oct-2019 16:44

Maybe some wind turbines outside of parliament, there always seems to be a sh*t load of hot air blowing out of there lately.

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#2341445 21-Oct-2019 16:50

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Maybe some wind turbines outside of parliament, there always seems to be a sh*t load of hot air blowing out of there lately.

The BS would clog the blades and they wouldn’t spin

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#2341459 21-Oct-2019 18:01

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Damn, a damned dam!

Your grandma is as good as mine! 😄

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#2341472 21-Oct-2019 18:15

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I long for a new centre left party to replace both National and Labour. They are both stale, stagnant virtually the same except for their logos.

I dont see an issue with the parties, National, Labour or the Greens. Parties are inanimate, its the people. While we may disagree on partisanship, the parties are made up of Kiwis. They all strive to do well for NZ. yes, their may be plonkers from all sides, and true statespeople from all sides, if you replaced the parties and the people you end up with the same core problem. There is not enough money to do everything. We can bleat on that a party has not done enough, or has made errors, plenty of blame for the last 2 years and the preceding 9, and the preceding 20. We cannot satisfy everyone all the time. If we were blessed with 10 Billion surplus every year we can spend our way out of problems, but whatever your poison is, there is no easy solution. Get two new major parties with 120 new MP's and nothing changes. If you chose the top 10 major issues, no one can solve them quickly. At best you solve two and leave more on the never never. It may be prudent to be tough, tell the truth, you who want A) have to wait 3 years, you who want B) have to wait 6 years and so on, then they lose votes. So the system we have causes the lawmakers to sell their wares, with outcomes that wont happen. They can bribe, that works, but it gets votes for spending money, then what?

Analogise to a household. The household may budget for a new roof, car, whatever, and they are happy with that, as they kow thats all they can afford. But if its a Government, the users, us, want it all now. And that will fail. If it fails and there are errors, get the other side in, they make no errors, but still fail so we get the other side back in. /chasingthetail

Unless Kiwis recognise that there are never any easy fixes, we will slide from party to party. Each party has done their best, but failed to meet the excess expectations.

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#2341487 21-Oct-2019 18:59

Sounds like we're getting that QC's report that was four weeks away when Jacinda needed to get on the plane and Robbo was refusing to answer questions in about six weeks. From now. Five weeks later.

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