Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

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#3276877 29-Aug-2024 22:01

The ACT party's flagship anti-discrimination case frequently quoted by ACT leader David Seymour springs holes and begins to sink.

The ACT party's removal of section 7AA will be a backwards step for everyone. NZ law requires blurring of faces in the following video for child protection no other reason.

Government Minister for Children, ACT's Karen Chhour admits the agency should have looked for and found family members in the first place.

There is no reason to remove 7AA. The outcome is something that anyone in that situation would have wanted. 7AA is an excellent example of partnership principles in practice creating a better country for everyone regardless of ethnicity.

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#3276883 29-Aug-2024 22:59

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/526491/petrol-cars-could-be-hit-with-road-user-charges-from-2027

I wonder how well this is going to go down, votes-wise? I think it just sounds likes make-busy work for some government department.

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#3276896 30-Aug-2024 06:23

quickymart:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/526491/petrol-cars-could-be-hit-with-road-user-charges-from-2027

I wonder how well this is going to go down, votes-wise? I think it just sounds likes make-busy work for some government department.

It's been some time coming. And it addresses a major issue with fuel taxes in that newer more efficient cars pay less to go the same distance than older and less efficient cars.

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#3276925 30-Aug-2024 09:18

GV27:

quickymart:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/526491/petrol-cars-could-be-hit-with-road-user-charges-from-2027

I wonder how well this is going to go down, votes-wise? I think it just sounds likes make-busy work for some government department.

It's been some time coming. And it addresses a major issue with fuel taxes in that newer more efficient cars pay less to go the same distance than older and less efficient cars.

Isn't an incentive for newer, more efficient cars a good thing?

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#3276928 30-Aug-2024 09:29

Rikkitic: Isn't an incentive for newer, more efficient cars a good thing?

Except this isn't.

EV RUC's, while needed, has made me want to drive less because of the cost involved (my Car is not a 3.5T Diesel truck). It is still way cheaper than driving with any form of fuel but now I don't suddenly feel the need to do a weekend trip to Taupō and spend money there. Also removing the subsidy and removing the "Ute Tax" is seen as a climate hating and pro oil activity.

The RUC's introduced to Petrol will punish and mean those with efficient cars will pay more, and those with brodozers will pay less. IMHO RUC's need to be adjusted so those vehicles that consume more perhaps pay more RUC's to still encourage more efficient vehicles but as we know due to the rushed and thoughtless rollout of EV RUC's and a tax element still needs to be kept on Petrol for other uses but this won't happen.

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#3276934 30-Aug-2024 09:46

@Rikkitic example, an 850cc Suzuki Alto will pay the same RUC as a Dodge Viper (V10, 8000cc to 8400cc) as it will be based on kilometres travelled, not fuel used

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#3276938 30-Aug-2024 10:01

Are all fuel taxes being removed then? I haven't followed this particular issue.

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#3277000 30-Aug-2024 10:13

Rikkitic: Are all fuel taxes being removed then? I haven't followed this particular issue.

Currently the draft has them being removed. But RUC's needs to be reworked and I still think a fuel tax should exist for the cases fuel is being used for powering other things else it's seen as a tax break to fuel companies.

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#3277118 30-Aug-2024 11:08

Given RUC's / Fuel Tax was supposed to go to the upkeep of the roads, they should be based on the likely wear and tear done to the roads by class of vehicle and nothing else. If we want to encourage more fuel efficient / environmentally friendly vehicles, thats all well and good, but it shouldn't be at the cost of road maintenance.

The clean car rebate / ute tax provided the carrot/stick to steer consumers to more environmentally friendly options and now that we are starting to see hybrid engines in utes (Cannon alpha, BYD Shark etc), then an argument could be made for the re-introduction of some sort of penalty (this exists to an extent on importers and the clean car scheme still taxing CO2 at point of entry), but I'd hate to see the Government screw up the auto industry more than it already has

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#3277127 30-Aug-2024 11:34

GV27:

quickymart:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/526491/petrol-cars-could-be-hit-with-road-user-charges-from-2027

I wonder how well this is going to go down, votes-wise? I think it just sounds likes make-busy work for some government department.

It's been some time coming. And it addresses a major issue with fuel taxes in that newer more efficient cars pay less to go the same distance than older and less efficient cars.

...and in the UK they are gearing up on motorways for "pay per mile" with the installation of many many cameras.

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#3277130 30-Aug-2024 11:49

The problem with RUC is its inefficent compared with pay at pump for fuel vehicles.
Compared with pay at pump, as you go, that is pretty much impossible to cheat or avoid.

To collect the same 'tax' charges will have to be higher.
Needed pay for the new IT systems at capacity, maintaining those systems, additional enforcement to deal with avoidance, and other schemes.

Even so like with WOFs there will be many that we don't catch as we can't block roads every day to filter everyone all the time.
The bulk nature of the charges mean that there will be increasing circumstances where people may have just too much temptation to skip.

Something more for police to do thats not core policing.

So when charges are worked out these will be higher to account for the cost of collection and leakage.

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#3277134 30-Aug-2024 12:06

Rikkitic:

Are all fuel taxes being removed then? I haven't followed this particular issue.

That's a good question.

Nobody has explained how the already announced 2027 fuel tax increases fit into this.

You know, the ones they're desperate to get the money from but had to delay to avoid breaking an election promise.

It's almost as if they're making all this up as they go along and haven't got a clue what they're doing.

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#3277136 30-Aug-2024 12:13

Simeon Brown having a whinge because ECan told him to take a running a jump when he told them to get rid of their Māori wards. And it turns out he might not be able to easily overturn it.

Otago University law professor and constitutional expert Professor Andrew Geddis said the seats were created by a special legislation just for Canterbury.

"Parliament's rules then say that those local bills can only be repealed or amended by another local bill which requires the council to ask Parliament to do it," Geddis said.

"So unless and until the local council asks Parliament to get rid of these seats, the government can't just come in over the top and change that local bill."

"It's going to be interesting to see how the government's going to try to get around parliament's rules as to how these bits of legislation can be changed."

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#3277326 30-Aug-2024 23:26

SaltyNZ:

Simeon Brown having a whinge because ECan told him to take a running a jump when he told them to get rid of their Māori wards. And it turns out he might not be able to easily overturn it.

Otago University law professor and constitutional expert Professor Andrew Geddis said the seats were created by a special legislation just for Canterbury.

"Parliament's rules then say that those local bills can only be repealed or amended by another local bill which requires the council to ask Parliament to do it," Geddis said.

"So unless and until the local council asks Parliament to get rid of these seats, the government can't just come in over the top and change that local bill."

"It's going to be interesting to see how the government's going to try to get around parliament's rules as to how these bits of legislation can be changed."

He's between a rock and a hardplace. The coalition agreement with ACT says they will "Repeal the Canterbury Regional Council (Ngāi Tahu Representation) Act 2022" but if he can't do it where do they go? They'd technically be in breach of the coalition agreement.

I guess they could legislate to make those types of representatives illegal but it's a tricky constitutional question.

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#3277372 31-Aug-2024 13:01

michaelmurfy:. IMHO RUC's need to be adjusted so those vehicles that consume more perhaps pay more RUC's to still encourage more efficient vehicles but as we know due to the rushed and thoughtless rollout of EV RUC's and a tax element still needs to be kept on Petrol for other uses but this won't happen.

that is not RUC, that's pollution/emissions tax.

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