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  #2631728 7-Jan-2021 13:08
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freitasm:  Yes, it was removed by Twitter. Lucky I've quoted it.

 

 

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The Washington Post - Facebook removes Trump’s video hours after rioters attack U.S. Capitol

 

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As a mob of Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, their compatriots online celebrated the chaos, cheering the violence across a wide array of social media sites and calling for bloodshed in the days ahead.

 

Trump, who has stoked fury over baseless allegations of a stolen election, belatedly called for calm on Twitter as the riots halted a process to tally the electoral college votes certifying Joe Biden as the next president of the United States. 

 

But Trump’s plea came in a video that was itself laced with disinformation, and he shared the message only after most of the mob had been pushed outside the building - leaving a trail of online and offline discord in his wake.

 

Amid the onslaught of criticism, Facebook took the rare step of removing Trump’s video after hours of internal debate about his actions. 

 

Twitter similarly took aim at Trump, limiting the reach of a tweet he sent late Wednesday that again sent mixed messages about the events that had unfolded.

 





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  #2631729 7-Jan-2021 13:09
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""I will tell you, Jake, I talked to a source, a GOP source close to the president who speaks with him regularly, and I take no pleasure in reporting this, but this source tells me that he believes the president is out of his mind.""

 





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  #2631731 7-Jan-2021 13:18
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CNN reports that Twitter has temporarily banned Trump. He can't tweet for at least the next 12 hours.

 

 





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  #2631732 7-Jan-2021 13:18
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MaxineN:

 

https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1346970430062485505

 

 

 

Read this thread.

 

Twitter finally laying down the law.

 

 

The circle of those that believe in him and are with him is rapidly closing in. Appears to be swathes of GOP senators turning on him. NAM, a highly charged Republican supporting Manufacturers Association wants 25th Amendment acted upon to remove him. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/06/business/capitol-hill-violence-business-leaders/index.html

 

He is rapidly becoming isolated. 

 

 


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  #2631733 7-Jan-2021 13:24
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Apparently woman who was shot has died in hospital. No further information

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  #2631736 7-Jan-2021 13:27
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  #2631744 7-Jan-2021 13:34
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Apparently the Secretary of Defence co-ordinated with Pence and Pelosi to deploy the National Guard. Bypassing Trump completely, are we going to see the 25th amendment invoked? A few Republicans are calling for it most loudly have been The Lincoln Project group.


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  #2631750 7-Jan-2021 13:54
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Varkk:

 

Apparently the Secretary of Defence co-ordinated with Pence and Pelosi to deploy the National Guard. Bypassing Trump completely, are we going to see the 25th amendment invoked? A few Republicans are calling for it most loudly have been The Lincoln Project group.

 

 

They should invoke the 25th to immediately remove him from office, and then arrest him for inciting insurrection.


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  #2631751 7-Jan-2021 13:55
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This article (dated 05 January) was prophetic ...

 

 

 

Psychology Today - Diagnosing Trump With a Mental Illness

 

Posted Jan 05, 2021 

 

 

Should health professionals diagnose celebrities from afar?  [extract]

 

Countless experts have already done so: They have commented on Trump’s alleged paranoid, sadistic, and psychopathic tendencies; diagnosed him with narcissistic personality disorder; and suggested he might suffer from neurological conditions like dementia and Alzheimer’s disease. 

 

Naturally, many have questioned his fitness to serve as the President of the United States.

 

Over 70,000 health professionals even signed a petition, saying “Donald Trump manifests a serious mental illness that renders him psychologically incapable of competently discharging the duties of President of the United States.”

 

And a book written by over two dozen mental health experts also argued Donald Trump, whether due to his personality or mental health issues, is not fit to be the president.

 

Last, in December 2019, several hundred mental health professionals sent a statement to the House Judiciary Committee members to express their concerns that due to his “brittle sense of self-worth,” Trump may act more dangerously as his impeachment approaches. ...

 





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  #2631752 7-Jan-2021 13:56
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Varkk:

 

Apparently the Secretary of Defence co-ordinated with Pence and Pelosi to deploy the National Guard. Bypassing Trump completely, are we going to see the 25th amendment invoked? A few Republicans are calling for it most loudly have been The Lincoln Project group.

 

 

And a huge loyal one  https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/06/business/capitol-hill-violence-business-leaders/index.html

 

But I heard that those that would rule on that are Trump's lackies, their word


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  #2631754 7-Jan-2021 13:57
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Varkk:

 

Apparently the Secretary of Defence co-ordinated with Pence and Pelosi to deploy the National Guard. Bypassing Trump completely, are we going to see the 25th amendment invoked? A few Republicans are calling for it most loudly have been The Lincoln Project group.

 

 

Conflicted here; on the one hand the guy is clearly no longer someone who can be trusted with unchallenged authority over America's nuclear arsenal.

 

However, DC is under curfew and the idea of an impeachment or removal of a President from office after hours at no notice with a population under lockdown is dangerous territory for a democratic country, but we're so far into unchartered territory I don't know what the right thing to do here is. I do not doubt for a second Trump would be trying to get Biden declared unfit for office if he had the numbers either. 


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  #2631759 7-Jan-2021 14:11
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GV27:

 

Varkk:

 

Apparently the Secretary of Defence co-ordinated with Pence and Pelosi to deploy the National Guard. Bypassing Trump completely, are we going to see the 25th amendment invoked? A few Republicans are calling for it most loudly have been The Lincoln Project group.

 

 

Conflicted here; on the one hand the guy is clearly no longer someone who can be trusted with unchallenged authority over America's nuclear arsenal.

 

However, DC is under curfew and the idea of an impeachment or removal of a President from office after hours at no notice with a population under lockdown is dangerous territory for a democratic country, but we're so far into unchartered territory I don't know what the right thing to do here is. I do not doubt for a second Trump would be trying to get Biden declared unfit for office if he had the numbers either. 

 

 

I agree. My litmus test is that Trump isnt just a lacklustre POTUS or a bad one, he is well off tanhe scale. Today he incited and planned a riot on national TV. Went silent. he is so far off the scale it isn't funny. He is charged with protecting the Union, the Rule Of Law, and democracy. Today, he created this riot to invade the building where the lawmakers were running a democratic process. He not only failed to protect, he created it. Last time this happened was 1814, by the British. Half the country is Democratic, half is Republic. Now we have a little spoilt family, working the US for their selfish ends, and they have a troup of stupid rednecks on board to wreak havoc. Its well off any scale of stupidness and selfishness. He goes is my vote, but its probably not worth the death that will result from more rednecks running riot, which they would.

 

At least there is a general partisan support for who caused this, so it can be moved on from. 


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  #2631761 7-Jan-2021 14:17
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To say Im not a George Bush fan is an understatement. But he is a good man. He said Biden is a good man. Thats the problem. You need to be a good person who wants the best for your country. How well you do or if your arent that good is another thing, but you need a base to start from. That won't happen again in the US, they won't get sucked in again by a devious, selfish (and the many other bad things he is) marketing expert.


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  #2631765 7-Jan-2021 14:24
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Speeches at the moment, by Senators. All are rubbishing Trump, deriding today. (R) and (D) all saying the same thing. I can see post Jan 20, an easier means for both sides to work together. Today has united both sides. I'm A you are B but we can still work together to run this country. Thats a good thing.


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  #2631767 7-Jan-2021 14:26
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There in lies the rub. Impeaching the President on inciting riots would require lengthy discussion about where the idea of Freedom of Speech begins and ends for him as an American and as a President in separate capacities. It's not something I would say you could safely railroad through at short notice without creating significant issues around principles and laws that are difficult enough when time is not a factor. 

 

The 25th seems to offer some relief in that regard, but again, same question as above: if what Trump has done isn't as black and white (i.e. he didn't say storm the capital building specifically?) to just go straight to impeachment and you're just arguing competence, then what bar are you setting by using the 25th, and are you just using it as a workaround because impeachment is too politically sensitive? If so, should you be doing that at all?

 

As so often seems to be the case, the lofty ideals of America seem to get harder and harder to tie back to the reality we seem to be watching play out. 

 

Frankly the thing that would be in everyone's interests is if the Republicans put forward the motion to go through that 25th Amendment process if needed, probably at Pence's instigation. 


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