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#2346949 31-Oct-2019 20:12

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Im all for encouraging immunisation especially when parents are on a benefit, just like I am appalled that those making millions from selling/manufacturing drugs could be collecting a benefit. Just as appalling is the level of the benefit for those that are entitled especially when it has fallen so far behind and is now below poverty line.

I didnt see what Bridges said as poor people bashing at all.

Actually, neither did I. What do you propose re those making millions for drugs collecting a benefit? Is that a new policy? To get drug criminals to contact WINZ? :-) Its like you are bashing Labour for allowing that?

What do you mean by "Just as appalling is the level of the benefit for those that are entitled especially when it has fallen so far behind and is now below poverty line"

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#2346955 31-Oct-2019 20:43

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Same here but they all have policies. Simon's Our Bottom Line brochure fixes everything. So will Labours. Its about delivery and Labour isn't and National won't.

National has gone back to poor people bashing thinking it will win them votes. A complete turn off for me.

Im all for encouraging immunisation especially when parents are on a benefit, just like I am appalled that those making millions from selling/manufacturing drugs could be collecting a benefit. Just as appalling is the level of the benefit for those that are entitled especially when it has fallen so far behind and is now below poverty line.

I didnt see what Bridges said as poor people bashing at all.

So it's OK for wealthy people not to immunise their kids, but not for poor people ?

Its OK to force medical procedures on the poor but not on the wealthy ?

What about the reduced benefit for mothers who do not name the fathers. There are valid reasons for not naming the father.

What about the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, does that only apply to white people. If Simon knows how anyone is making money illegally then he should be giving evidence to the police instead of punishing without proof.

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#2346963 31-Oct-2019 21:08

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Same here but they all have policies. Simon's Our Bottom Line brochure fixes everything. So will Labours. Its about delivery and Labour isn't and National won't.

National has gone back to poor people bashing thinking it will win them votes. A complete turn off for me.

Im all for encouraging immunisation especially when parents are on a benefit, just like I am appalled that those making millions from selling/manufacturing drugs could be collecting a benefit. Just as appalling is the level of the benefit for those that are entitled especially when it has fallen so far behind and is now below poverty line.

I didnt see what Bridges said as poor people bashing at all.

So it's OK for wealthy people not to immunise their kids, but not for poor people ?

Its OK to force medical procedures on the poor but not on the wealthy ?

What about the reduced benefit for mothers who do not name the fathers. There are valid reasons for not naming the father.

What about the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, does that only apply to white people. If Simon knows how anyone is making money illegally then he should be giving evidence to the police instead of punishing without proof.

When you collect your sole income from the taxpayer, the Government is entitled to ensure certain things. Immunisation is hardly a medical procedure, and not having it is endangering peoples lives. I also have no clue as to how Bridges will enforce his policy on gang members....sounds good, but seems impossible. I have no idea why you are making it a racial issue after what is stated here. Out of order.

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#2346969 31-Oct-2019 21:19

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. I also have no clue as to how Bridges will enforce his policy on gang members....sounds good, but seems impossible.

Thats the MO. Labour did it with big ideas. Now Nats will play that game. Thats how I read the brochure they sent out. I hope this campaign is not about who says the mist cool stuff, and we dont bother with reality. Well, politics, maybe it will be who has the most cool policies, and forget reality. I guess that tactic has proven to work :-)

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#2348480 5-Nov-2019 15:07

It is time for Shane Jones to go, with his continuing racist outbursts Jacinda Ardern needs to sack him from his Ministerial portfolios, I doubt that she will do the right thing.

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#2348496 5-Nov-2019 15:37

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It is time for Shane Jones to go, with his continuing racist outbursts Jacinda Ardern needs to sack him from his Ministerial portfolios, I doubt that she will do the right thing.

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Not sure what Ministers need to do to be removed from the front bench under JA. She is very tolerant. I believe the public monies Winston is using in pursuit of he court room agendas is also very wrong as it is so frivolous.

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#2348498 5-Nov-2019 15:39

Mahon:

MikeB4:

It is time for Shane Jones to go, with his continuing racist outbursts Jacinda Ardern needs to sack him from his Ministerial portfolios, I doubt that she will do the right thing.

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Not sure what Ministers need to do to be removed from the front bench under JA. She is very tolerant. I believe the public monies Winston is using in pursuit of he court room agendas is also very wrong as it is so frivolous.

I believe she will carry them in order to retain the treasury benches no matter what.

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#2349609 7-Nov-2019 18:30

This is the problem with politics and climate change. Its not a political issue, but we make it so, to our peril. Thats why in the future, the role will be dealing with climate change not fixing it, the costs will be astronomical. We wont be spending money on reducing CO2, it will be on rebuilding, seawalls, desalinating plants, insurance.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117244331/national-will-support-climate-change-zero-carbon-bill

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And we would not change most of it - really just around the methane targets and food production."

"National is proud of our farmers and the way that they keep improving. They have over the last 30 years, and I know they will over the next thirty.

JC:National's Judith Collins disagreed with the prime minister, saying "New Zealanders do not want to be first, fast, or furious. They want a fair go."

Is NZ a fast follower? Well the Paris Accord states 2050, we state 2050. Or should we back down from that Accord as the US has?

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#2349860 7-Nov-2019 22:11

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This is the problem with politics and climate change. Its not a political issue, but we make it so, to our peril. Thats why in the future, the role will be dealing with climate change not fixing it, the costs will be astronomical. We wont be spending money on reducing CO2, it will be on rebuilding, seawalls, desalinating plants, insurance.

and banning plastic bags.

Of course its political. Greens want to stop us using fossil fuels now, yet the Government itself has one of the smallest EV fleets in the western world.

Whatever we do in NZ is totally irrelevant to climate change and sea level rises etc. and we certainly cannot afford to be leading the world on it.

We must encourage other nations to change at a faster pace ie China, at the same time encouraging the western world to invest heavily in technology that will assist in achieving the goals. The worlds population growth is also out of control and unsustainable.

It is politics that is stopping the world in dealing to climate change in a way that is meaningful.

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#2349941 8-Nov-2019 07:18

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tdgeek:

This is the problem with politics and climate change. Its not a political issue, but we make it so, to our peril. Thats why in the future, the role will be dealing with climate change not fixing it, the costs will be astronomical. We wont be spending money on reducing CO2, it will be on rebuilding, seawalls, desalinating plants, insurance.

and banning plastic bags.

Of course its political. Greens want to stop us using fossil fuels now, yet the Government itself has one of the smallest EV fleets in the western world.

Whatever we do in NZ is totally irrelevant to climate change and sea level rises etc. and we certainly cannot afford to be leading the world on it.

We must encourage other nations to change at a faster pace ie China, at the same time encouraging the western world to invest heavily in technology that will assist in achieving the goals. The worlds population growth is also out of control and unsustainable.

It is politics that is stopping the world in dealing to climate change in a way that is meaningful.

I forgot the link

Banning plastic bags?

No, climate change is not political its a physical issue with our home. Politics is the barrier, that has caused climate change fixes to already have failed.

The other reason is "Whatever we do in NZ is totally irrelevant to climate change and sea level rises etc. and we certainly cannot afford to be leading the world on it." That is a cop out. One Chinese = one America = one Canadian = one Kiwi. Clearly you dont support fixing climate change, you would rather check you wallet first. One day in the future your descendants will be spending all their wallet trying to live

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#2350125 8-Nov-2019 12:33

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I forgot the link

Banning plastic bags?

No, climate change is not political its a physical issue with our home. Politics is the barrier, that has caused climate change fixes to already have failed.

The other reason is "Whatever we do in NZ is totally irrelevant to climate change and sea level rises etc. and we certainly cannot afford to be leading the world on it." That is a cop out. One Chinese = one America = one Canadian = one Kiwi. Clearly you dont support fixing climate change, you would rather check you wallet first. One day in the future your descendants will be spending all their wallet trying to live

It is political. It is also social, industrial and to some degree religious. Without the political part no change will be made. Left up to commerce or social nothing would be done and only the political can legislate change.

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#2350131 8-Nov-2019 12:54

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I forgot the link

Banning plastic bags?

No, climate change is not political its a physical issue with our home. Politics is the barrier, that has caused climate change fixes to already have failed.

The other reason is "Whatever we do in NZ is totally irrelevant to climate change and sea level rises etc. and we certainly cannot afford to be leading the world on it." That is a cop out. One Chinese = one America = one Canadian = one Kiwi. Clearly you dont support fixing climate change, you would rather check you wallet first. One day in the future your descendants will be spending all their wallet trying to live

It is political. It is also social, industrial and to some degree religious. Without the political part no change will be made. Left up to commerce or social nothing would be done and only the political can legislate change.

In that case, everything is political, so the word political really is meaningless.

Who runs NZ? I do. And you, and every other votable adult. So why haven't we made changes? As the Beehive doesn't seat 2 million adults, we ask 121 people to do that for us, dont perform, out you go, so its on us. us adults in NZ and globally. Still no change. just blame politicians. Who WE voted in.Howevger you ;look at it, it comes back to us.

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#2350184 8-Nov-2019 13:05

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In that case, everything is political, so the word political really is meaningless.

Who runs NZ? I do. And you, and every other votable adult. So why haven't we made changes? As the Beehive doesn't seat 2 million adults, we ask 121 people to do that for us, dont perform, out you go, so its on us. us adults in NZ and globally. Still no change. just blame politicians. Who WE voted in.Howevger you ;look at it, it comes back to us.

Every three years we vote in the folks that will run the country. We do not (unless you are senior public servant) run the country. Without the political role changes to reduce climate change would never happen. Would the public as a whole voluntarily ban plastics, reduce carbon footprint, reduce reduce Dairying pollution, pay carbon taxes or higher prices to pay for climate change mitigation etc? some might the majority would not. Example the resistance to the plastic ban even though the affect of plastic on the environment especially the foundation of our food chain and atmosphere has been clearly shown.

Climate change is political.

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#2350185 8-Nov-2019 13:13

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tdgeek:

In that case, everything is political, so the word political really is meaningless.

Who runs NZ? I do. And you, and every other votable adult. So why haven't we made changes? As the Beehive doesn't seat 2 million adults, we ask 121 people to do that for us, dont perform, out you go, so its on us. us adults in NZ and globally. Still no change. just blame politicians. Who WE voted in.Howevger you ;look at it, it comes back to us.

Every three years we vote in the folks that will run the country. We do not (unless you are senior public servant) run the country. Without the political role changes to reduce climate change would never happen. Would the public as a whole voluntarily ban plastics, reduce carbon footprint, reduce reduce Dairying pollution, pay carbon taxes or higher prices to pay for climate change mitigation etc? some might the majority would not. Example the resistance to the plastic ban even though the affect of plastic on the environment especially the foundation of our food chain and atmosphere has been clearly shown.

Climate change is political.

In that case everything is political then.

Who is responsible for electing people to run the country? If the population here was 12 we would all run the country, as its 4.8M we elect 121 others to do it, but whatever happens is on our heads not whatever Government is in power, as we elected them in the past and the future.

End of the day, the amount that has been done is pitiful. We elected the people

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#2350186 8-Nov-2019 13:20

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ban plastics Yes, we have, thats not CC though

, reduce carbon footprint Last I read, its increased per capita in NZ

, reduce reduce Dairying pollution Not seen that. Thats been pushed well out

, pay carbon taxes to pay for planting trees? Not seen that either

or higher prices to pay for climate change mitigation Not seen a climate change tax yet. That would lose votes

When you look at it, globally very little is happening, in NZ very little is happening. This Govt is making it the nuclear moment. Its become just another topic of interest, yet we vote this in

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