Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#2637858 19-Jan-2021 11:10

I just discovered this satirical gem ...

The Chicago Tribune - Column: I took part in a pro-Trump attack on the US Capitol and now I have to face consequences? That’s tyranny!

12 Jan 2021

Hello, I am a patriotic supporter of President Donald Trump who broke into the U.S. Capitol and attacked police officers because I believed the election was stolen and it was my duty to overthrow the government using only a flagpole I picked up along the way and the horns on the cool viking helmet I wore.

I am now being told I have lost my job and might go to prison.

This is an absurd, Orwellian trampling of my First Amendment rights, according to a person I follow on Twitter.

What kind of country are we if an outstanding citizen like myself can be fired, arrested and charged with domestic terrorism just because I livestreamed myself joining hundreds of other freedom fighters in attempting to crush a screaming law enforcement officer before defecating in the offices of Democratic lawmakers? ...

That seems both unfair and tyrannical. I have never once had to face consequences before, so clearly there’s a problem. ...

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#2637910 19-Jan-2021 11:19

gzt:
I'm not so sure. The Nixon free-pass pardon was never tested in court in any form I'm aware of.

Actually, pardon limits have been, several times. From the Wikipedia article:

The power thus conferred is unlimited, with the exception stated. It extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment. This power of the President is not subject to legislative control. Congress can neither limit the effect of his pardon, nor exclude from its exercise any class of offenders. The benign prerogative of mercy reposed in him cannot be fettered by any legislative restrictions.

That seems pretty clear: the president can pardon any (federal) crime, at any time, without limit (except impeachment).

The last couple of episodes of All the President's Lawyers discuss it, funnily enough. The second last one was after the call to Georgia, and they expected to be discussing it again in the next one. Events... overtook them.

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#2637913 19-Jan-2021 11:22

"'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party."

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#2638069 19-Jan-2021 12:41

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My point is that the weasels who invaded the Capitol keep trying to make excuses for their presence there ('I wasn't part of the mob, but got pushed in by the crowd behind me').

"It wasn't us it was someone else, and even if it was we were just following orders".

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#2638071 19-Jan-2021 12:47

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“What’s unique about Donald Trump is that he took advantage of this widespread distrust of government and media,”

The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.

-- P.J. O'Rourke.

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#2638074 19-Jan-2021 12:57

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“The people who stormed the Capitol are absolutely convinced that the election was stolen. They’re not being opportunistic; they really believe this. And all of the social science shows that if someone really believes a conspiracy theory, it is just about impossible to change their minds.” ...

The two best-known techniques for dealing with people with this mindset are cult deprogramming (the hard way) and coping techniques for dealing with people with schizophrenia (the soft way). Unfortunately while it's already a big enough battle to get a schizophrenic to take their antipsychotics, it's pretty much impossible with conspiracy cultists, but then nor is it really known whether they're suffering from (medically-treatable) psychoses or not. There was a big debate over this in the DSM-V, which veered away from the DSM-IV's mass shared psychotic disorder to more specific dissociative disorders. Another theory is that cult membership/beliefs contribute to the formation of a (DSM-IV) shared psychotic disorder. But a lot of this is just speculation, no-one really knows.

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#2638087 19-Jan-2021 13:09

Trump doesn't need to be added to Mt.Rushmore, he's already got things like this to remember him by:

Los Angeles lifts air-quality limits for cremations as Covid doubles death rate

Air quality regulators have lifted the limits on the number of cremations that can be performed in Los Angeles county, citing a death rate that is more than double the pre-pandemic norm and an unmanageable backlog of dead bodies.

More than 2,700 bodies were being stored at local hospitals and the county coroner’s office as of Friday 15 January, the South Coast air quality management district said on Sunday in explaining its decision to enact an executive order suspending limits on cremations.

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#2638197 19-Jan-2021 14:51

gzt:

The Supreme Court upheld Trump's ban on trans-people in the military affecting many careers and people in training:

Sky News: Nic Talbott has dreamt of a career in the military for years. He enrolled in a training programme while at university and spent his weekends in camouflage crawling through mud, or strategising in mock battle scenarios. But a tweet by Donald Trump in July 2017 destroyed all of his plans. The president's tweet declared: "The United States Government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the US Military."

Reason? Some fake BS about less money than Trump spends on presidential golfing support. Biden has promised to reverse this and make related discrimination illegal.

Biden has promised to reverse this and make related discrimination illegal.

I sincerely hope he does.

But I must admit even I am confused about all the acronyms these days. How about we just not put any labels at all on it.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2638198 19-Jan-2021 14:59

neb: Trump doesn't need to be added to Mt.Rushmore ...

Dave Brown - The 15 best Trump cartoons from his presidency

(Trump is beyond "bad taste")

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#2638270 19-Jan-2021 15:49

Petapixel: Twitter Users Thought the Name of This Capitol Rioter Was ‘Via Getty’

"After rioters stormed the US Capitol last week, one of the surreal photos that emerged showed a smiling man walking off with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s lectern in the Rotunda. Then things got even more bizarre: people began calling for 'Via Getty' to be arrested for his actions.

Getty Images chief photographer Win McNamee was the man behind the now-infamous photo that was quickly published by news outlets around the world."
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#2638274 19-Jan-2021 15:57

kingdragonfly: Petapixel: Twitter Users Thought the Name of This Capitol Rioter Was ‘Via Getty’

From the same link:

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#2638284 19-Jan-2021 16:34

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kingdragonfly: Petapixel: Twitter Users Thought the Name of This Capitol Rioter Was ‘Via Getty’

From the same link:

We’re not going to make it, are we?

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#2638304 19-Jan-2021 16:44

kingdragonfly: Petapixel: Twitter Users Thought the Name of This Capitol Rioter Was ‘Via Getty’

"After rioters stormed the US Capitol last week, one of the surreal photos that emerged showed a smiling man walking off with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s lectern in the Rotunda. Then things got even more bizarre: people began calling for 'Via Getty' to be arrested for his actions.

I've encountered that man getty before, he was trying to hack into my Linux box. See for yourself:

xxxx@yyyy:~$ man -k getty

getty (8) - alternative Linux getty

So he already has an established criminal record before he stole Nancy's plectrum.

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#2638324 19-Jan-2021 17:45

Remember how a Trump aide said "The most masculine person I think to ever hold the White House is the President of the United States."? (this despite a list of much more "masculine" presidents than Trump). Here is an article on hegemonic masculinity that might explain this whole thing.

So, what exactly is hegemonic masculinity? The researchers behind the new work, Theresa Vescio and Nathaniel Schermerhorn at Penn State, consider two ways of viewing masculinity. One, termed precarious masculine identity, is largely about personal perceptions of one's own masculinity. From this perspective, masculinity isn't a permanent state; it's one that's constantly re-evaluated, and those who want to maintain a masculine identity have to reinforce it regularly. "Masculinity is earned and maintained through continual behavioral displays of manhood," is how the authors put it.

This can, however, drive societal-level behaviors. People can perceive those who don't conform to traditional gender roles as a threat to masculinity and treat them with hostility. It can influence policy to the extent that support for policies like war and lax gun regulations help enable displays of masculinity.

Hegemonic masculinity, by contrast, is based on a societal-level perception of the appropriate role of males. Specifically, it views the traditional role of males—namely that they're the dominant focus of society—as how society should be ordered. It "justifies and legitimizes the power of dominant men (i.e., white, straight, upwardly mobile, and able-bodied men) over women and marginalized men," the authors write. In this view, women aren't responsible for enhancing feelings of masculinity in men; instead, they're expected to help reinforce the societal order.

This view allows for a large number of threats beyond people who don't conform to gender norms, including the prosperity of any group like minorities or immigrants that might weaken the dominance of the current hegemonic group of males.

(Obviously, there's a lot more to both of these ideas than can be conveyed in a few paragraphs.)

Vescio and Schermerhorn suggest that the symptoms of hegemonic masculinity line up well with the appeals of Trump. His nostalgia for the past was focused on a time when the dominance of white males was taken for granted by most of society. He regularly suggested his image as a successful businessman was an indication of his superiority. He regularly attacked minorities and immigrants. That said, Trump also displayed some behaviors that are typical of responses to perceived threats to masculinity: "Trump was openly hostile toward gender-atypical women, sexualized gender-typical women, and attacked the masculinity of male peers and opponents."

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#2638330 19-Jan-2021 17:57

Also, Trump's beautiful wall is a full 80 miles... Out of 1,954 miles total border with Mexico.

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