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  #1677350 25-Nov-2016 12:13
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Rikkitic:

 

Do you have a link for that? I would be interested to read it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/inside-donald-trumps-meeting-new-york-times/

 

He has been pretty plain spoken about it.

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  #1677351 25-Nov-2016 12:13
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frankv:

 

networkn:

 

Well Trump has come out and pretty much condemned Alt-Right. He has also said if he find outs Bannon is a racist etc, he will sack him. 

 

 

 

Did he say those things before or after the election? </sarcasm>

 

 

 

 

 

 

See the link above, post election.

 

 

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  #1677353 25-Nov-2016 12:15
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Is it possible to hack the voting machine to give just enough votes to Trump?

I wonder how many machines there are and how to hack each of them

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  #1677381 25-Nov-2016 12:21
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joker97: Is it possible to hack the voting machine to give just enough votes to Trump?

I wonder how many machines there are and how to hack each of them

 

I don't think the election was rigged, he STILL lost the popular votes. A lot of the states he won on Electoral (Which is all that matters) he won very comfortably. 

 

 

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  #1677382 25-Nov-2016 12:28
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Pumpedd:

DarthKermit:


For a first-world country, their voting and electoral processes are incredibly Mickey Mouse.



and ours arent??


USA does not even have a national standard for elections.

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  #1677388 25-Nov-2016 12:41
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gzt: Some concerns have been raised about the integrity of voting machines. The Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein is requesting a recount in Wisconsin, Michigan & Pennsylvania. Democrats are reportedly unlikely to do it due to embarrassment and likely it won't change the outcome anyway. It's up to the Greens to request. Stein needs US$2.5 million by Friday:

https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

It's an interesting thing to do regardless. It's also somewhat complex interaction between state law and federal law as in the Florida recount.


For some more context, some analysts have identified (apparently) a statistical difference in the results between electronic vs. paper based voting in the same states. Perhaps that is down to other factors, but perhaps there is something there. Given what is at stake, a review probably isn't a bad thing.


Well, the green party candidate crowd raised the $2.5m.

Now they need to do it again for the next two states.

This is great - a third party candidate actually made a difference in a U.S election! : ).

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  #1677389 25-Nov-2016 12:42
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networkn:

 

I don't think the election was rigged, he STILL lost the popular votes. A lot of the states he won on Electoral (Which is all that matters) he won very comfortably. 

 

 

 

 

Probably right. While there are clear statistical anomalies when looking at electronic vs. paper polling places in the same state, the differences may well be explained by demographics rather than manipulation.

 

In any case, particularly given the 'rigged' rhetoric from the Trump campaign, the now likley recounts should hopefully restore some confidence in the system (or in fact show there has been manipulation).

 

A good read here of some of the tampering possibilities for anyone interested: https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.qyuxzvq09




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  #1677391 25-Nov-2016 12:47
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If Donald Trump is serious about 'fixing the system', he should push for federally enforceable standards around vote registration and counting. In reality, I think he's probably learned a lot about how he can game the system, particularly the electoral college which in 2012 he deplored, and since the 2016 election has called 'genius'.

 

Can you imagine how much foaming at the mouth would be happening with Trump and his supporters if the reverse of the result were true and he won the popular vote but lost the electoral college? Doubt he'd be calling it 'genius' then.




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  #1677421 25-Nov-2016 13:46
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gzt:
Pumpedd:

 

DarthKermit:

 

For a first-world country, their voting and electoral processes are incredibly Mickey Mouse.

 

 

and ours arent??

 


USA does not even have a national standard for elections.

 

This is a fundamental misunderstanding about how the system works there. Remember that it is the United States of America. The States are the basis of political power and decision-making, and have the power to make laws themselves, to suit themselves. Any "national standards" would be seen as an imposition on State rights. That's really quite sensible because many things affect different States differently. A big issue in Hawaii, requiring laws to sort out, may not be important at all in Maine. A one-rule-fits-all would be unwieldy and/or restrictive. Hence, for example, there are varying speed limits in various States. The Federal Govt (President, Senate, and House of Representatives) is as much about making sure the States play nicely together and presenting a united face for the States as governing the populace.

 

 

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  #1677460 25-Nov-2016 14:37
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No, I understand. It's still a fact.

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  #1677742 26-Nov-2016 03:39
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ajobbins:

 

If Donald Trump is serious about 'fixing the system', he should push for federally enforceable standards around vote registration and counting. In reality, I think he's probably learned a lot about how he can game the system, particularly the electoral college which in 2012 he deplored, and since the 2016 election has called 'genius'.

 

Can you imagine how much foaming at the mouth would be happening with Trump and his supporters if the reverse of the result were true and he won the popular vote but lost the electoral college? Doubt he'd be calling it 'genius' then.

 

 

 

 

You mean like all the 'foaming at the mouth', violence, and rioting of democrat and Clinton and various 'ism' supporters that's been happening since 9/11/2016?

 

He won.  EOS.  

 

BTW the 'popular' vote is irrelevant. It's NOT how the USA elects their presidents. (just stating the obvious you understand...)

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  #1677743 26-Nov-2016 03:45
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ajobbins:

 

networkn:

 

I don't think the election was rigged, he STILL lost the popular votes. A lot of the states he won on Electoral (Which is all that matters) he won very comfortably. 

 

 

 

 

Probably right. While there are clear statistical anomalies when looking at electronic vs. paper polling places in the same state, the differences may well be explained by demographics rather than manipulation.

 

In any case, particularly given the 'rigged' rhetoric from the Trump campaign, the now likley recounts should hopefully restore some confidence in the system (or in fact show there has been manipulation).

 

A good read here of some of the tampering possibilities for anyone interested: https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.qyuxzvq09

 

 

What about all the 'statistical anomalies' of the pre-election polls then? And the huge 'rigged' rhetoric of the news media predicting a Clinton win?

 

 

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  #1677752 26-Nov-2016 08:23
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MaxLV:

ajobbins:


If Donald Trump is serious about 'fixing the system', he should push for federally enforceable standards around vote registration and counting. In reality, I think he's probably learned a lot about how he can game the system, particularly the electoral college which in 2012 he deplored, and since the 2016 election has called 'genius'.


Can you imagine how much foaming at the mouth would be happening with Trump and his supporters if the reverse of the result were true and he won the popular vote but lost the electoral college? Doubt he'd be calling it 'genius' then.



 


You mean like all the 'foaming at the mouth', violence, and rioting of democrat and Clinton and various 'ism' supporters that's been happening since 9/11/2016?


He won.  EOS.  


BTW the 'popular' vote is irrelevant. It's NOT how the USA elects their presidents. (just stating the obvious you understand...)


I saw some on tv. I doubt they were very Clinton supporters. It looked more like anti-trump protesting.

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  #1677932 26-Nov-2016 14:39
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MaxLV: And the huge 'rigged' rhetoric of the news media predicting a Clinton win?

 

I have seen literally zero commentary from any media calling the system rigged because Trump won. It was the Trump campaign calling the system rigged all long, and Fox media duly fell in line. Of course, now that he won, the 'rigged' system is now 'genius'. 




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  #1677934 26-Nov-2016 14:52
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MaxLV:

 

You mean like all the 'foaming at the mouth', violence, and rioting of democrat and Clinton and various 'ism' supporters that's been happening since 9/11/2016?

 

He won.  EOS. 

 

There have been elements of this from both sides of politics during various parts of the campaign, and while it's not OK for any of them, in all cases this kind of behavior represents a tiny proportion of either side. Also worth noting that since the election there has been a big increase in the reports of racism and anti-semitism including violence from Trump supporters. 

 

Even days before the election he had said he would only accept the result if he won. I have no doubt that if he lost, the violence he would incite following would absolutely dwarf anything we've seen.

 

BTW the 'popular' vote is irrelevant. It's NOT how the USA elects their presidents. (just stating the obvious you understand...)

 

Quite correct - but Trump didn't like the idea of that when he thought his guy was going to lose the presidency yet win the populate vote back in '12. Obama went on to win a majority in the popular vote anyway, but Trump genuinely suggested that people "march of Washington and stop this travesty" and that "we should have a revolution" at the time. This, Like most things he says and does, shows he's a demonstrably massive hypocrite. 




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