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#2505588 16-Jun-2020 09:08

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Not really. Little got 3 last time as part of stepping down gracefully. His list position is consistent with his cabinet rank, even if his performance has been excellent.

Twyford is a classic Hanlons Razor story. The light rail issue is far more complex than the kiwibuild one.

Light rail is going through a boom globally and it will get worse with infrastructure stimulus. Attracting contractors at a decent price will get more difficult. These aren't easy projects to execute.

And it didn't stop them promising either one to get elected, or prompting any real reaction or urgency from them when it appeared there were problems. The Light Rail process is subject to an auditor-general complaint already. They inherited a well-formed plan from AT and then bungled the process to the point that not only is there no plan for Light Rail to the West yet, there's no viable interim solution either e.g. a busway with an upgrade path.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300035442/long-read-how-dead-is-light-rail

Their performance on this is totally indefensible.

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#2505848 16-Jun-2020 15:36

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Handle9:

Not really. Little got 3 last time as part of stepping down gracefully. His list position is consistent with his cabinet rank, even if his performance has been excellent.

Twyford is a classic Hanlons Razor story. The light rail issue is far more complex than the kiwibuild one.

Light rail is going through a boom globally and it will get worse with infrastructure stimulus. Attracting contractors at a decent price will get more difficult. These aren't easy projects to execute.

And it didn't stop them promising either one to get elected, or prompting any real reaction or urgency from them when it appeared there were problems. The Light Rail process is subject to an auditor-general complaint already. They inherited a well-formed plan from AT and then bungled the process to the point that not only is there no plan for Light Rail to the West yet, there's no viable interim solution either e.g. a busway with an upgrade path.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300035442/long-read-how-dead-is-light-rail

Their performance on this is totally indefensible.

I'm not defending the performance just saying it's incompetence/very rushed policy rather than a conspiracy.

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#2505851 16-Jun-2020 15:38

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Handle9: This is total crap. Migrant workers who can't work, can't get home and the government won't give them a subsistence level of support. So much for being kind or showing moral leadership.

New Zealand has certainly lost the right to lecture Australia on its treatment of migrants.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018750729/trapped-migrant-workers-nz-s-new-underclass

It's usually a "strength" of Labours that they have traditionally filled these gaps well, I am really surprised to see them acting like that. The 2 tier benefit thing as well.

Anyone have experience on setting up crowdfunding? It's something I'd contribute to. People in NZ should have at least the basics.

I'm reasonably confident the NZ First is behind this. It doesn't matter, the Labour party should be prepared to fight for this.

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#2505859 16-Jun-2020 15:46

Handle9

I'm reasonably confident the NZ First is behind this. It doesn't matter, the Labour party should be prepared to fight for this.

I was going to comment almost identically actually.

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#2505908 16-Jun-2020 16:04

Handle9:

I'm not defending the performance just saying it's incompetence/very rushed policy rather than a conspiracy.

They had nine long years, as they are so keen to remind us.

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#2506114 16-Jun-2020 21:13

Holy crap did anybody else see the cost of that slide outside parliament, $250k or something and not even accessible for disabled.

Playground for kids = Friken Awesome

Government being screwed by some engineering report and construction and actually paying it = Priceless.

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#2506162 17-Jun-2020 06:33

JaseNZ:

Holy crap did anybody else see the cost of that slide outside parliament, $250k or something and not even accessible for disabled.

Playground for kids = Friken Awesome

Government being screwed by some engineering report and construction and actually paying it = Priceless.

It's a little bit worse than that. $250K was just for the slide.

All up, the playground was $170K over budget.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/playground-parliament-labelled-monument-extravagance-national-after-running-well-over-budget

Then again, I have zero confidence in any government doing something like this on Parliament Grounds without blowing out. Governments will be governments, regardless of their stripes.

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#2511347 24-Jun-2020 11:28

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/06/24/1246907/auckland-light-rail-put-on-ice

Light rail dead. Both proposals set aside.

We should be talking about Twyford's resignation, instead he has been promoted.

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#2511356 24-Jun-2020 11:31

GV27:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/06/24/1246907/auckland-light-rail-put-on-ice

Light rail dead. Both proposals set aside.

We should be talking about Twyford's resignation, instead he has been promoted.

Yet another flagship policy dead. What a surprise!

So much for transparency:

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/education/government-quietly-makes-major-changes-to-fees-free-policy/

Change on page 205 of the budget.

Predictably it was a flop any ways.

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#2511365 24-Jun-2020 11:40

Probably a thousand+ houses added in North West Auckland in the last three years.

Literally not one step closer to a transit system.

Got the fuel tax pretty quickly though. Funny how that works.

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#2511373 24-Jun-2020 11:51

Colour me disappointed. Again. I would vote for someone else, if there was someone else to vote for. Since there isn't, I will vote Greens again and pray (to a non-existent deity) that NZ First finally gets the burial it so richly deserves. Hopefully without that particular millstone, the next government can actually get something done.

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#2511385 24-Jun-2020 12:04

I'm quite disappointed with the Greens - they're talking about talking light rail to the election, but that already happened in 2017 and they've been basically dead quiet about the Auckland LRT fiasco. If it mattered, they would have said something.

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#2511413 24-Jun-2020 12:52

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/419117/students-motivated-to-enrol-by-fees-free-policy-struggle-with-university-research-finds

Gee, who'd of thunk it?

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#2511424 24-Jun-2020 13:16

GV27:

I'm quite disappointed with the Greens - they're talking about talking light rail to the election, but that already happened in 2017 and they've been basically dead quiet about the Auckland LRT fiasco. If it mattered, they would have said something.

As long as the Greens refuse to consider being part of a National-led government (it does not have to be a coalition, just confidence-and-supply) then the Greens have no leverage with Labour and will therefore never get policy concessions of any magnitude.

The Greens will always be impotent until they learn from Winston. He got to exactly where he is today because he 'can work with either major party' in Parliament (ie over the 5% party vote threshold in modern times). I am sure that both National and Labour would prefer NZF gone. For the Greens, unless they re-incarnate themselves as an environment protection party first and everything else second that will consider working with either major party, they will remain the powerless Labour friend that they are now.

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#2511667 24-Jun-2020 19:09

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As long as the Greens refuse to consider being part of a National-led government (it does not have to be a coalition, just confidence-and-supply) then the Greens have no leverage with Labour and will therefore never get policy concessions of any magnitude.

The Greens will always be impotent until they learn from Winston. He got to exactly where he is today because he 'can work with either major party' in Parliament (ie over the 5% party vote threshold in modern times). I am sure that both National and Labour would prefer NZF gone. For the Greens, unless they re-incarnate themselves as an environment protection party first and everything else second that will consider working with either major party, they will remain the powerless Labour friend that they are now.

The good old Greens are a one issue party strawman.

For some reason no one ever says that ACT should go in that direction, Labour should only represent unions or National should only represent nationalists.

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