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#2733364 23-Jun-2021 21:19

Handle9: It's a fair criticism after the nonsense with her making up quotes on social media

I wasn't aware of that one. Collins backed Hipango all the way. Another MP posted the same meme at the time. The articles did not mention any specific incident at all.

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#2733367 23-Jun-2021 21:25

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Handle9: It's a fair criticism after the nonsense with her making up quotes on social media

I wasn't aware of that one. Collins backed Hipango all the way. Another MP posted the same meme at the time. The articles did not mention any specific incident at all.

She also made up that Ardern supported full term abortion. She's a loose cannon.

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#2733379 23-Jun-2021 22:59

She should have done what Judith Tizard did and step aside for the next person on National's list if she's really that bad. Just my 2c.

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#2733690 24-Jun-2021 12:21

In their current form they are just screwed, Drop most of the old boys club guard and bring in some relevant players.

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#2733696 24-Jun-2021 12:40

JaseNZ:

In their current form they are just screwed, Drop most of the old boys club guard and bring in some relevant players.

Why bother? ACT is going to become the main opposition party anyway.

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#2733808 24-Jun-2021 14:12

Democratic government needs an effective opposition. National and ACT are not it.

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#2733813 24-Jun-2021 14:17

SJB:

Democratic government needs an effective opposition. National and ACT are not it.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could have an effective Govenment AND an effective opposition. Sadly we have neither.

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#2733827 24-Jun-2021 14:34

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SJB:

Democratic government needs an effective opposition. National and ACT are not it.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could have an effective Govenment AND an effective opposition. Sadly we have neither.

When did we?

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#2733982 24-Jun-2021 19:06

Fred99:

When did we?

Good question.

While I have been living here one party or the other has been completely dominant. They do their 3 terms or whatever, implode, and then the other lot take over.

Similar in the UK except Labour have been totally ineffectual for an extended period of time now, over a decade, and currently show no sign of turning it around.

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#2734003 24-Jun-2021 20:31

The Mueller "leak" story is getting nastier and nastier. Between this and the Smith gaslighting it seems like Collins is attempting to knife any number of enemies before she gets rolled.

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#2734013 24-Jun-2021 20:52

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-mp-todd-muller-retires-who-narked-and-the-brutal-meeting-with-judith-collins/4ZQO53LNWNZ4E4UQP5WBZ6ZXIE/ (paywalled)

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#2734044 24-Jun-2021 23:15

Handle9: She also made up that Ardern supported full term abortion. She's a loose cannon.

Once again if you read what Hipango actually wrote on Facebook it's consistent with someone in the National party with an extreme view. A senior National MP commented on the post in support. And once again Collins backed up Hipango's holding of that view when questioned by media.

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#2734090 25-Jun-2021 09:08

gzt:
Handle9: She also made up that Ardern supported full term abortion. She's a loose cannon.

Once again if you read what Hipango actually wrote on Facebook it's consistent with someone in the National party with an extreme view. A senior National MP commented on the post in support. And once again Collins backed up Hipango's holding of that view when questioned by media.

Making up stories (aka telling lies) to try to gain support for your extreme view is the problem, Collins backing the MP's "right" to hold extremist views is a smokescreen - it avoided addressing the real issue - that Hipango is a loose cannon, her comments about full term abortion are blatant deliberate hateful lies.

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#2734207 25-Jun-2021 11:06

Is there a screenshot of what she said? I'd be curious to see the context.

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#2734216 25-Jun-2021 11:29

quickymart:

Is there a screenshot of what she said? I'd be curious to see the context.

Context was that it was a conscience vote in parliament and that Judith Collins and 18 other National Party MPs voted for passing the bill.
Nothing changed for termination of >20 week pregnancies - two doctors still need to approve. It's incredibly cruel and barbaric to suggest that woman and their partners who choose to terminate late stage pregnancy for medical reasons are "violating human life" and to force them to knowingly carry to full-term babies suffering gross deformities or other medical conditions which make any life or meaningful life outside the womb impossible.

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